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[Stop the Idiocy]Playing less minutes has NOTHING to do with fractures

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by PointForward, May 9, 2009.

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  1. PointForward

    PointForward Member

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    I really hate starting threads, especially here in the GARM, but this has annoyed me for so long.. All you smartasses out there who firmly believe that Yao's fractures are a result of playing a lot of minutes, I hate to inform you that you don't know what you're talking about.. here is why:

    If you have ANY medical background, you would know that a stress fracture are NOT something that develops overtime, it's not a result of overtraining, over playing, or anything long-term.. A stress fracture takes place when a certain drastic event triggers it.. think about it like a freaking chair: You sit on it forever if you want to and it won't break, you swing a sledge hammer on it and it'll be a million pieces in a matter of seconds.. now how hard you have to swing the sledge hammer in order to break the chair depends on the chair your breaking, and Yao happens to be an extra-fragile chair, and it's not his fault, it's just genetic, he has absolutely no control over it..



    now everyone repeat after me:

    Fractures are not developed over time, they are NOT a result of playing long minutes. It's a combination of Yao's genetically fragile bones and unfortunate events, NOT from playing long minutes or playing in the summer..


    now, will you please STOP saying that Yao should play less minutes? it's not like he's playing 45 minutes a night, his minute average is below 36 minutes.. you know what that means? he's playing 3 quarters out of 4! I haven't seen a single "franchise player" play as few minutes as Yao has..now please, just stop talking..


    some of you guys are absolutely ridiculous..
     
  2. Dei

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    Get rid of Yao?
     
  3. rox4lyf

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    maybe i'm ignorant, but isn't there a difference between a stress fracture and a fracture?
     
  4. durvasa

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    http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/otherfractures/a/stressfracture.htm

    [rquoter]
    What is a stress fracture?
    A stress fracture is a common overuse injury most often seen in athletes. Usually, a fracture, or broken bone, is caused by an acute event, such as a car crash or a fall. When this is the case, the bone experiences a very high force that causes the stress fracture.

    A stress fracture occurs when the forces are much lower, but happen repetitively for a long period of time; these injuries are also known as "fatigue fractures." Stress fractures are commonly seen in athletes who run and jump on hard surfaces, such as distance runners, basketball players, and ballet dancers.

    A stress fracture can occur in any bone, but is commonly seen in the foot and shin bones. They rarely occur in the upper extremity because the weight of your body is not supported by your arms as it is in your legs. [/rquoter]

    Yao has played 39+ minutes in 5 of the last 6 games. And have you see another franchise player who's 7'6 and 300+ pounds?
     
  5. coolbluemoon

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    Do you even know what "stress fracture" means? Look it up and save your rant.
     
  6. YallMean

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    I thought Yao's bone gets crackier the more minutes he is on the court. I guess that's not the case. Glad I didn't go to med school.
     
  7. smasstastic

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    I don't know what you mean, but definitely playing more minutes increases the likelihood of stress fractures. More gametime increases the chances of having a sudden injury (like landing poorly). Also fatigue puts more supportive stress on the bones and causes players to make unwise decisions.

    Would Yao have suffered less injuries if he played less? Probably, but it is easy to make that judgment in retrospect.
     
  8. BigSherv

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    wow, OP was owned by internet research
     
  9. WeMissDekeMan

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    Game..set...and match..... durvasa destroys the OP. 1 Star thread.
     
  10. RHostetler82

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    Lol, try researching this before posting next time.
     
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  12. ncagg42

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    Yes, but at the same time a lot of pressure and wear on a PREEXISTING stress fracture does cause it to flare up.


    I said this in another thread, look at it as your tire alignment on your car is messed up. Your car will still run, but overtime your tires will wear down much faster.

    Because of the stressfracture, his foot will wear down much faster throughout the course of a season, so limiting the amount of time he is on that foot can really help.


    I also think you are assuming people think its the reason why he needs to sit is the injury- when really, I think he needs to play less minutes throughout a game because how tired he gets at times in the 4th quarter. Watch games in the 4th that he is in foul trouble, he plays with a lot more energy (due to being on the bench ebcause of being in foul trouble)


    Yes, Stress fractures arent CAUSED by too much pressure on the foot. But they can flare up with too much pressure on that point.
     
  13. NYRangers

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    playing him 30 mins will only delay the fracture from appearing it does not mitigate (stop) the fracture from ever developing becus inherently his bones are considerably weak and prone to such a fracture.

    I don't know how a 30 min rule will come to be applied when you are stuggling to win tight games. In a close 4th quarter game where you need your best players on the court to win does red sirens at the back of Adelman's bench go off alerting him that Yao just reached the 30 min threshold? Time to take him out and forget about the game becus he can't breach that mark or his foot might fall off? I can only see us doing this if we have a team that can consistently blowout teams thus we can limit his mins but taken into account that he is being paid MAX dollars and those dollars go against us getting better players based on the Lux tax to blowout such games how do we achieve this?

    In the post season where star players are expected to play 40 mins or more it is unfathomable that any star player paid MAx dollars will have a 30 min ceiling in any given game. If Yao Ming can't play heavy mins he needs to tell the team he is willing to take less money (far less ex: Duncan) so that the team can get the people to shore up his deficiencies. But I still think his fractures will continue even with 30 mins.
     
  14. ssssllllnnnn

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    Where did you get your medical knowledge? lol
     
  15. PointForward

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    first off, they're calling it a "hairline" fracture, which, CONTRARY to what wikipedia says, is not synonymous with "stress fracture"..

    http://video.about.com/orthopedics/Fractures-1.htm

    this video clearly explains what each fracture type is, and what causes them..

    the report said that Yao has a "hairline" fracture.. and it was caused by him "twisting" his ankle, hence the initial "sprained ankle" diagnosis.. so unless they come out and say it is indeed a "stress fracture" caused by overplaying, the cause of injury stands as the "twisting" of his ankle..
     
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    From the same article linked to above:

    [rquoter]
    Why did I get a stress fracture?

    Bone is constantly undergoing changes to adapt to its environment. When astronauts go into space, they are known to develop a thinning of the bone similar to osteoporosis. The reason is that their skeleton is not under the constant demands of gravity, and the bone adapts to that environment. Stress fractures are usually seen in athletes who increase their level of activity over a short period of time. The increased demand placed on the bone causes the bone to remodel and become stronger in the areas of higher stress. However, if the response of the bone cannot maintain the pace of the repetitive demands, a stress fracture may result. [/rquoter]

    There was an obvious jump in minutes between the regular season and the past several games.
     
  18. PointForward

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    he averaged 33.6 minutes in the regular season, significantly less than ANY "superstar" player in any other team..

    he played 36 mpg in the first round, 3 quarters out of 4 ..

    in the LA series, he has played 40 minutes, then 26, then another 40 last night, this isn't "excessive" by any means..

    what I'm saying is, 33.6 is a very low mpg for a season.. This doesn't even come close to the level of "consistent overwhelming stress" that triggers a stress fracture.. I think that hadn't he got hit on his foot last night, he would've been alright, but it's really an unfortunate event..
     
  19. WeMissDekeMan

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    You are getting destroyed get over it. durvasa is a 100% right and you are not, I hate to be rude but it's the Truth.
     
  20. durvasa

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    All it says about what causes a hairline fracture is "minor injury". There isn't a single mention of "stress fracture" in that video. And you're the one who mentioned stress fracture in the original post.
     

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