Is it just me, or is Al Jefferson the second best center in the NBA?

who is the 1st best?

 

Your entire argument reeks of ignorance. I mean REEKS. It's painfully obvious you are so obsessed with Yao to the point you will go to whatever lengths necessary to discredit his competition. That's all fine and dandy, just don't expect anybody that actually watches basketball to take that type of crap seriously.

I mean, you just classified Dwight as a finesse player. I don't even know how to respond to that.

I'd challenge you to write a scouting report that differentiates him from Shaq so greatly to the point that you speak of but I can tell you aren't capable of that. My point still remains that they are: power centers that have similar moves, are neutralized the same way and shoot an uncommon amount of their shots inside five feet of the basket. There aren't any two players like that on their level besides Shaq and Dwight.

P.S. That section I bolded -- contradict much?

 

I think I get it now. You're one of these ifs, buts, candy, and nuts posters. If Shaq was ever asked to play defense, if Yao were half as dominant as you claim he is, etc.

I've heard of Yao, he holds the distinction of being the only center in basketball history that can be taken out of the offense by simply not letting him catch the ball.

If there were tons of 3BPG and 14RPG centers during Shaq's time in the league then you should have no trouble naming five of them. I'm waiting.

 

Cut the attacking, It's not needed. I question whether or not you even watch Magic games. I've seen tons of his games and you would know what kind of player he is if you watch him play. Same thing goes for Yao. You can only tell their flaws by watching them on a regular basis. Why do I have to write a scouting report, while you get to sit there and attack me? That's not worth it at all. I'm done arguing here. Howard is nothing like Shaq, you can dream all you want but Howard = Shaq is much worse than Kobe = Jordan.

 

It's not attacking. You just shouldn't be so emphatic and dismissive of a topic you clearly don't even understand in the first place. If you want to continue swimming in the bowels of NBA intelligence by making ludicrous claims like Dwight Howard is a finesse player or that there are NO similarities in Shaq and Dwight's games, be my guest. Then i'm done too.

P.S. I'm tempted to make a poll but I think i'll save you the embarrassment. But then again, can't posters get BANNED for making too many polls and idiotic posts? I'll just stop right there.

 

I'm fine with agree to disagree, Just go watch Dwight Howard more and you'll see he has nothing in common with Shaq. I don't judge everything off of stats, do i look at? Yeah, but it hardly means anything if you watch how they play.

 

Yeah, we get it. Anybody that thinks Dwight is good doesn't watch him enough and despite whatever observations you make and whatever the numbers say, Shaq and Dwight are NOTHING alike. Got it.

It's a good thing the media and all the analysts accept that Yao is better than Shaq otherwise i'd be afraid to see whatever dubious arguments you could muster up to discredit Shaq.

 

Baller, you should be able to tell this is probably his 5th or 6th nickname on the forum. Why bother to even argue with him.

 

The Howard comparison to Shaq doesn't work for me totally. Yes, Howard's style is similar to Shaq, but Shaq is in a completely different physical class. His mass and brute strength put Howard to shame, even today. When they play each other, Shaq pushes Howard around like a rag doll. Currently, Howard has the advantage in mobility, but if he were facing the championship level Shaq, Howard would struggle a lot more than when he faces Yao.

I say all this to say that Howard will be fortunate to be as good as Shaq was. Shaq's defense improved over the course of his career, but he was an offensive juggernaut. Howard is the exact opposite in terms of skillset, but his defense isn't close to what Shaq was on offense. Shaq put more pressure on opposing teams, dished out more punishment and exhausted opposing players more than any center in history. Far more than Yao or Howard.

 

I agree with everything you just said, so who do you think is the best center in the NBA then? People don't realize how absolutely gifted Shaq was and athletic he was when he was young. Probably the most athletic center of all-time right with Wilt Chamberlain.

 

Yao and Howard are about equal. Howard is better against the rest of the NBA and Yao beats Howard in head-to-head games. What will Howard be like when he's 27/28 years-old? To be determined.

I'm still waiting to hear from someone on the "treatment" Howard gets in Eastern Conference games. I doubt there is a reply.

 

That's why Dwight is number 1 for you. I'd rather have a Dwight who sucks against one specific player (Yao), than have Yao who ends up being negated by fronting every single time. Plus he's not injury prone.


On topic, you're on crack if Jefferson is the 2nd best C. He's not even a good C, he sucks at C. He's a pf being forced to play C because of Love.

 

Just maddening how some people hold onto the biases, even when presented with facts. Its not just this guy, there's a lot of others too.... but how does Dwight Howard get inflated rebound stats playing next to a power forward that rebounds the exact same or better as the guys before him? Also to add in, Howard's playing with a small forward thats rebounding better than previous years. I'm not a Dwight lover in the least, its just FACT

 

Not really about Jefferson, but since we're talking so much about Howard here, anyone seen this guy's suspicion that Dwight is juicing ?

 

Some immature people feel the need to tear down other team's players. On this forum, obviously 99% of people like Yao and some think it builds Yao up when they tear Howard (or even Shaq) down. Sad.

 

The only way you know Dwight's weaknesses if you watch him play, just like you would know Yao's weaknesses if you watch him play.

A typical fan does not think either player has much flaws. Every Rocket fans knows that Yao has trouble fronting and about every magic fan knows that Howard struggles against true centers in the league.

Give me Yao, You guys act like Howard is absolutely flawless in the post.

 

I watch Howard often and he's just as good as Yao, but is a completely different player. For either point of view to act like there is some vast gap between them is silly. Both guys struggle sometimes; other times they dominate. Howard does some things that Yao couldn't dream of doing. There are things Yao does that Howard has no chance of doing.

Who here acts like Howard is "absolutely flawless in the post"? That is a crazy thing to say, because it's pretty much 100% agreed he doesn't have the offensive skills of Yao. Why does it bother you so much when people pay Howard a compliment?

I know Yao is a Rocket but I can't understand why people get so emotional when others say good things about Howard. It's almost like an insecurity.

 

I consider a 'true' C 7' or over so for C:
1)Yao
2)Shaq
3)Zydrunas

For PF (pretending to be C):
1)Howard
2)Jefferson
3)Duncan

 

Al Jefferson is a scoring Beast.

But have you seen his defense? Big Al's defense is probably one of the worst in the NBA.