At first I thought maybe it is a good deal for both sides. I never thought BC was that bad, just had way too high expectations of him and was way over paid. I like the idea too of adding Othella and moving up in the draft too. I also realize most the terrific free agents will sign this year, so when Hakeem's contract is done we will have far more limited options. But then I was thinking we could add a comparable or maybe even better player than BC in FAs such as MaCoullach, Jahadi White or Brad Miller + maybe also add an Othella equivalent in Trent or Fortston, while saving 60 or so million in cap dollars in the long run. . In sum, no way Jose (GYHAS). Now if Vancouver gets at #1 or #2 pick, or instead consider Abdur-Raheem instead of Othella, THEN we talk. Heck for Abdur-Rahim, I'll even through in Drew, Cato, Walt and our #9 pick with Dream for nothing but BC and Rahim. What do you if our price for taking on BC includes Rahim? ------------------
GYHAS, you explained that one perfectly with the "Virtual GM" reference. It would take a virtual idiot to make that deal on either side. ------------------ We're going to miss you Chuck! Thanks for all the memories!
I crumble at the thought that some of you thought this was a good deal!! You're denying DREAM the right to retire where he began his carreer, as well as picking up EXTRA heavy baggage in Reeves. That's incredibly horrible! After one year, we get that 15 million in cap space..but you'd rather have Reeves and a Draft pick?? Insane. -Elie17 ------------------
AAAH!! Who are we gonna get at #4 That would make this team better? If we were talking #1, Kenyon Martin, I'd take a look. But at #4, let's assume that Mihm, Martin, Fizer go 1-2-3. At #4, the only player we could get would be Dermarr Johnson. But he may even fall (a la Maggette) to #9. But, this deal is awful. The only way I'm willing to take on Reeves is if a guy named Shareef Abdur-Rahim is coming along with him. I'd be much rather happy dealing for the Kandi man. His numbers aren't as bad as everyone thinks. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
We will not play for a championship next year. Nothing that we could trade Hakeem for will allow us to make the championship next year. Who cares if we don't make the 6-8th seed next year. We will get knocked out early. Why not let the greatest sports legend our city has ever known retire as a Rocket. How many of you enjoyed watching Barkley retire. It was touching wasn't it, and it showed that our organization has class. Now imagine Hakeem's farewell tour. Wouldn't it be nice for our players to witness the dedication that our organiztion shows. Wouldn't it be nice for Stevie to imagine retiring as Rocket. We have one of the most respected franchises in this league and trading our soul for a better pick and an overweight CBA player will not be a good move. I think it's disgusting that anyone would consider trading Hakeem. I know he doesn't have much left and he doesn't exactly fit with our other players. If anything look at it selfishly. His retirement next year and all of the "Last games" in other cities and on NBC will help to elevate the profile of the team he leaves behind. That sounds a whole lot better to me that watching Reeves plod around with Cato next year. I'm afraid that would be more than I could take. ------------------
One con to add -- Nolan Ryan was one of the best players to ever play for a Houston team. Dedicated, skilled, hard working, and an asset to the community. He continues to contribute, and has even formed a minor league baseball team and Astros affiliate, which will continue to benefit the community. His jersey hangs in the Hall of Fame -- but because of a mistake (IMHO) by the Astros, his legend is memorialized by a Texas Rangers Uniform. Hakeem will be entered into the hall of fame with his jersey as a monument to his skill and dedication -- it's just a matter of time. With all that he means to Houston, do we really want to see that jersey say anything but "Houston"? ------------------ Stay Cool...
I can decide which is worse. Hakeem in Grizzly gear. Pig Country in Rocket gear. Both are reason enough to root for the Hornets, which by the way I am doing right now. Go Hornets. Play Chucky. CBFC www.chuckybrownfanclub.com ------------------
The only way we taking on Reeves is by acquiring Rahim also. I've talked with my friend and he says this is more better deal for us in the long run. Rahim, Reeves for our 9th pick, Dream, Kenny, Drew, and Walt. Something like that. This at least makes it worthwhile for us to take on Reeves. I don't care if Dream is playing or not. Reeves salary will cap us out for next 4 years and that's not worth it. Rockets are smarter than that. ------------------ Now that the NBA season is over, check out the premiere source for draft info. Draftsource.net
BIG COUNTRY for a LEGEND? NO WAY! Hakeem is The Houston Rockets. Let him retire on his terms and not suffer the INSULT of being traded when he has almost single-handedly carried this team through the dark ages to the glory of 2 rings. ------------------ HAKEEM WAS THE DREAM FRANCIS IS THE CREAM
I don't care if they throw in Rahim, Micheal Dickerson, Michael Bibby, AND a shiny quarter, there is no way I am accepting Big Country on this team. [This message has been edited by thacabbage (edited April 27, 2000).]
HOLY S#IT!.. Wow, ThaCabbage has an incredible 2220 posts since his registering of this BBS. I never realized he had that many! I know Heypartner's close, as well as all the Admins. =) that's really amazing, I wonder if we can hand out awards every season just like the NBA does. =D Elie17 ------------------
I like Olajuwon but this trades its good imagine C Cato/big country PF Othella/Thomas SF Wizard/draft pick 4 SG Anderson/Mobley PG Francis/Norris ------------------
Alright stop, collaborate and listen: If the general theory of Rock'ativity holds that the 3 should be a young'un (I tend to think we need a 5), and since the aforementioned trade possibility was purely conjecture, then why don't we take this into something more beneficial to both parties: The Grizzlies unload an unsatisfied constituent: SAR + the pick (remember, we're the ones loosing cap space, right?) The Rockets do better with their future cap room than the junk that will be available next year: they get SAR for Dream. for the Rockets: 1) Usage of the cap space occurs a year earlier. So what. Who were we going to get Webber? Cha. JW will be gone before he will. 2) SAR's height and defense allows the Rockets to solidify their relationship with Cat at the 2. for the Grizzlies: 1) Validity for a franchise. 2) Vancouver has a huge muslim population according to Pops. 3) Cap space the following year. 4) SAR is no longer the primary option, so they lose any disruptive influence his 2nd fiddle to MD will cause. Everyone should be 'happy happy joy joy' or get out of town. Bibby and MD are the future of the team. Don't bring them down. [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited April 27, 2000).]
Sure, I'm for this deal -- as soon as Big Country can shoot 3-pointers, move half as fast as Kelvin Cato, and lose enough weight that Steve Francis or Cuttino Mobley might have even the slightest chance of getting to the basket. As Johnnie Cochran famously said: If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.
Achebe, I would take SAR over T-Mac. Could SAR or any other of the "names" bandied about on this BBS handle being second fiddle to Francis? Mango ------------------ The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood
I don't think SAR would have trouble getting his points-He'd be the best post up guy on the team (sad, but true). He'd wreak havoc on smaller SFs, would love running fast breaks, and is our ideal SF...oh yeah, he's 24, and locked up till I think 2005. http://www.nba.com/news/abdur_rahim_feature_112299.html Look what he said about the Francis thing...I wonder what he thinks about Francis? ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
I think I'd rather sign Hakeem for three more years than trade for Reeves (even if it meant getting Othella back and a higher pick). ------------------
Cabbage "I don't care if they throw in Rahim, Micheal Dickerson, Michael Bibby, AND a shiny quarter, there is no way I am accepting Big Country on this team." So I'm assuming if a team threw in MJ, Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, etc. you still wouldn't take on Reeves contract? <Center><hr width=90%></center> Moving up 5 spots ain't worth taking on Reeves contract. However, with Rahim in the deal its another story. I would like to thank Achebe for enlightening the rest of us on Rahim situation. I don't think you guys realize how rare it is to acquire a Franchise player when he is 23(hasn't even hit his prime). We aren't giving up Francis in the process. If taking on Reeves gigantic contract meant gettin a young franchise player I'd do it every time. Like I've said before, this deal has been discussed before. Finally picks aren't known until lottery drawing. These are preliminary offers. Grizzlies: Get: Dream, Kenny, Walt, Drew, and 9th pick. Lose: Rahim, Reeves Why would they do it: Any deal involving Reeves is already a improvment. Grizzlies save their cap as they unload half their space with Rahim and Reeves. Kenny and Drew are all good players with small contracts. They can replace losing Rahim with the 4th and 9th picks. Plus with Dream retiring the following year, they should have some $$$ to recruit poeple to play in Canada.. Why wouldn't they do it: Althought unloading Reeves is a great idea, however its not everyday you unload a proven franchise player. Rockets: Get: Rahim, Reeves Lose: Dream, Kenny, Walt, Drew, and 9th pick. Why would we do it: We get a proven franchise player to compliment Francis. Although its a heavy price to pay, its very rare to be able to acquire a player of that caliber before he hits his prime. Remember Rahim is only 23 and he's already a 20-10 player. Why wouldn't we do it: Big Country's Contract, it's self explanatory. Also, Dream PR diaster. Remember before? But remember the fans weren't loyal, so why should the team be? Current Siutation: As Popeye stated before, the Rockets are more focused on the players until the lotto order is determined. Deals will be finalized after order is determined and we'll see what happens. Remember 99.9% of the rumors never really happen. Plus, its stalemate right now, as each other is trying to milk the other for more. LOL. A friendly reminder on any one who thinks we are giving way too much. Quantity does not equal quality. ------------------ Now that the NBA season is over, check out the premiere source for draft info. Draftsource.net [This message has been edited by rocketsfan34 (edited April 27, 2000).]
Let me tell you 4 things that Rahim, Dickerson, and Bibby are not: 1. MJ 2. Shaq 3. Duncan 4. Garnett The best point in your entire post Quantity (e.g. $65 mil over 6 years) does not equal quality (cause DQ Country Reeves sure ain't quality). Now, let me just hammer one point home on why this trade really sucks! The Rockets are not going to contend for a championship next year! Why mortgage away the next 6 years of cap space with a ridiculous contract on a lousy player, just so you can land one guy (i.e. Rahim) that doesn't do a thing to improve us in our weakest areas (C and PF). Wait one lousy year, and you'll have a ton of cap room to go after a decent player either through free agency or trade (using your cap space for cash considerations for the other team). Patience Daniel-san. Looking to the future means looking a lot farther than the next few months. ------------------
Launch Pad: The Rockets are not going to contend for a championship next year! I don't know about you, but next year has not happened yet, but I'm optimistic. With a good pick, a good free agent, we are back in the running. Injuries can affect a lot of things, so don't claim the Rockets can't compete for the title next season. Why mortgage away the next 6 years of cap space with a ridiculous contract on a lousy player, just so you can land one guy (i.e. Rahim) that doesn't do a thing to improve us in our weakest areas (C and PF). Rahim is a proven franchise player. He makes players around him better, just like Francis. By just acquiring him, every player on our team will be better as they'll benefit from the doubles and traps other team will try to set on him. Wait one lousy year, and you'll have a ton of cap room to go after a decent player either through free agency or trade (using your cap space for cash considerations for the other team). Cap room to sign who? Name me one great player you can get for sure. A decent player is nice, but you always try to make a deal when a franchise player is available. Regardless if Reeves is the down-side. Rahim is too good to pass up. Patience Daniel-san. Looking to the future means looking a lot farther than the next few months. I don't know what I'm looking at. A trade for a proven 20-10 franchise player who hasn't even hit his prime. Yea, it seems like I'm not looking at the future. ------------------ Now that the NBA season is over, check out the premiere source for draft info. Draftsource.net [This message has been edited by rocketsfan34 (edited April 28, 2000).]
