Could he be a possibility as our SF? After we get Ming we still have to be looking for a long-term solution at SF. I'm not sure that we could get that at #15, so we'd have to do some sort of trade whether its moving up in the draft or getting a player. I think Johnson would fit in perfectly with our team. He's unselfish, is a good rebounding 3, and he gives us extra handles and passing abilities to take the load of Steve. What do ya'll think about trying to bring him in?
I think Johnson would be a perfect fit with this team. I see him as sort of a poor man's Odom, but w/ a more accurate shot and none of the baggage. I'm not sure what it would take to get him or if Phoenix would even want to help us out by trading him to us. Maybe if we took a bad contract from the Suns in a multi-player deal including KT and Mooch the Suns would bite.
Based solely on what I have read, Tskitishvili or Nachbar are equal or better and both are much taller. Johnson gets decent numbers when he gets PT. What's a fair offer? #15 + KT is probably too much. We just don't have much the Suns would want in the way of low contracts. In fact, the Suns are almost a carbon copy depthwise: (Marbury/Francis; Hardaway/Mobely; Jake T/Cato; Googs/MoT) - not a good trade partner.
The Suns traded for Johnson because he, Marion, and Marbury are their future. They benched Hardaway the latter part of the season so Johnson could play. They aren't going to let him go for cheap.
We trade a backup PF who will be a FA next year, and a #15 pick, for a star in the making? Ok yes, horrible trade for the Rockets.
Joe Johnson is a star in the making???? Can I mark those words about a player who has been traded once already? Can we say: hmmmm Nolen Richardson never produces quality NBA players.... maybe maybe no.
KT backing up Googs & Outlaw...how about the other way around? I'm not convinced Johnson has much more ceiling than Nachbar who is likely to be available at 15.
What does Nolan Richardson have to do with anything? Also, the Celtics already have Pierce and Walker, and clearly traded Johnson to add bench vets like Delk and Rogers. Speaking of Richardson, didn't he coach Corliss Williamson? The 6 ft 7 PF who is better than KT... Yet, he is on the bench. You are vastly overrating KT's trade value if you don't think the Suns would reject that offer.
Scoreless is not better than KT. Yeah..that #13 pick after 7yrs is really hitting his potential now isn't he??? There is a reason why we call him "Scoreless." You are very confused. KT is bigger than scoreless, younger, taller, and more moves, ambidetrous, needs no motivations like scoreless...and has 100% major foot work that scoreless only dreams about. Just like Bobby Knight, there is a great tribute to all Arkansas/Richardson players...but they rarely pan out. scoreless...gloooryyy beeee
"Scorless" somehow won 6th man of the year, without motivation or scoring points... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=211209008 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=211209008 "Scoreless" scored plenty in the 1st game, off the bench. While KT shot 2 for 12. "Scoreless" scored 25 pts in 29 minutes in the 2nd game. Game. Set. Match. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Joe Johnson is nothing until he produces, especially since he was traded once already and is coming from Nolan (who I admire) but means nothing in the NBA coming from college. Quick, name one Arkansas starter in the NBA!!!...EVER!!! No we don't agree on Nolan's kids producing as scheduled...You do remember that is what we were talking about. Scoreless finding a perfect fit after 7 yrs is nothing. Kenny is better. Scoreless is nothing without a perfect fit ON THE BENCH going against second teams....yeah...Detroit rox and Iverson was the MVP last year. Kidsucks8
Niiice. When in doubt, resort to name calling? Good to see that you're capable of having a logical, adult conversation.
OK I admit it that I resorted to name callin...like someone who names themselves after a pop rock star doesn't have half the world thinking they aren't a freaking fool to begin with. Kidrock...yeah!!! ,,Just admit you think KT sucks...I have you on record kiddddybooyyynummberrrrrreithhhghttt. You are just a rock star hiding behind a moniker. KT is a real person who you say sucks!!! As for you bball take, Scoreless is nothing, and Joe got traded...Trading the #15 and KT is like trading the #15 and Scoreless (and more) for Joe Johnson... just silly!!! Joe did not produce..and was traded...how you could package him with KT and the #15 is just a sign of you immature GM treatment of KT that you have been exposing all season.. admit it.
From what I can make out from your gibberish, is that you think I'm a KT hater. Fine, I might be one. I will say that I think you overrate KT. As I said before, I guess we will need to agree to disagree.
Joe Johnson has a bright future in the NBA. I don't know about superstar but he's definitely going to be at least a solid player. Just because he didn't have an incredible rookie season and doesn't mean anything. He's still young and has a lot of potential and still had a very solid rookie season. The fact that he stepped in and contributed, started for both the Celtics and Suns, and is starting over Penny for the Suns.. all in his rookie season.. says alot about him. He's already lightyears ahead of other rookies drafted around him, i.e. Rodney White and Kedrick Brown. I definitely don't think Suns would trade him for Kenny Thomas and #15. The Suns have envisioned him as a cornerstone of the franchise and it's going to take more than that to pry him away. Williamson is a good scorer but Kenny Thomas is better because of his superior rebounding compared to Williamson.
I hate to get involved with other peoples squables but some things need to be brought up about your stats. 1. Thomas played most of that game against Ben Wallace as he was the starter. 2. Cat was the only other starter in the game that night. Kenny was the second option and he had a bad night like the rest of the team. 3. Since Wallace played 42 minutes and I am sure he had Eddie and KT on him most of the night I have to wonder who Corliss was matched up against? Was it Dan Langhi by any chance? Dan logged 25 minutes that night. Of course Dan is a defensive dynamo. 4. Here is the correct link for the second game: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=220103010 5. Kenny did not play in the second game so there was no head to head match up. 6. In the second game Eddie and TMo were our starting forwards and we only had 8 players suited up for that game. So I don't think it is a stretch that Corliss scored 25 points. 7. In the two games Corliss combined for 9 rebounds, no steals and no blocks. In the one game that Kenny played he had 8 boards, 3 steals and 1 block. 8. For the year KT avg'd 14 pts, 7 rebounds, 2 assits, 1 steal and 1 block with a .478 f/g% and .664 f/t %. These numbers were posted primarily against the western confernce power forwards. 9. CW's numbers are 13.6 pts, 4 boards, 1 assist with a .510 f/g% and an .805 f/t %. KT and Corliss seem to have similar numbers although KT did put the bulk of his up against the starters of the league. I'm not sure if it is fair to continue to call Corliss, scorless since he does score almost 14 points in about 20 minutes a game. Overall I think KT has a little better game than Corliss.
