Serious Discussion - what could we trade Tmac for...

I will keep posting the bad salary news. Here is what understand for new year.
Name 2009/10
Aaron Brooks $1,118,520
Brent Barry $2,062,800
Brian Cook $3,500,000
Carl Landry $3,000,000
Chuck Hayes $2,117,500
Dikembe Mutombo $0
Joey Dorsey $881,820
Kyle Lowry $2,034,996
Luis Scola $3,383,333
Ron Artest $0
Shane Battier $6,864,200
Tracy McGrady $23,239,561
Von Wafer $0
Yao Ming $16,378,325
Total Minimum $64,581,055
Total Estimate $78,681,055

Ron Artest and Von Wafer are the key free agents. I assume we sign Artest for 8M and Von Wafer for 3M.

Here is for 2010
Name 2010/11
Aaron Brooks $2,016,691
Carl Landry $3,000,000
Chuck Hayes $2,301,250
Joey Dorsey $947,140
Kyle Lowry $2,975,165
Luis Scola $0
Ron Artest $8,000,000
Shane Battier $7,354,500
Tracy McGrady $0
Von Wafer $3,000,000
Yao Ming $17,686,100
Total Minimum $47,280,846
Total Estimate $54,047,512

Capholds Luis Scola
(Bird Rights) $6,766,666

This means that if we keep Luis Scola, or salary is at 54M. Regardless of Tmac's Salary, if we keep Artest, Von Wafer, and Scola, than we will NOT be able to sign a high salary free agent. Our best hope is to trade Tmac's contract for someone.

Sorry for all you guys that think if Tmac leaves, we get to spend the 23M on someone else. That is not how the NBA salary structure works.

 

a highly motivated T-Mac will be back next year

 

Also, I just realized I did not make a $2,975,165 Qualifing offer to Kyle Lowry. That makes it ever worse if we want to keep him.

 

Tmac can be traded for huge HUGE superstar because his contract is attractive since it will be expired in 2010. If not, we can let it expire and use his money to sign a high caliber player. In any case, I do not, DO NOT want to see Tmac in this team anymore and here's why:

1. He's so injure-proned
2. He's lazy unmotivated and non-competitive EVEN when he's healthy
3. He doesn't play D because his footwork is horrible.
4. He create bad offensive chemistry because he makes everyone stand around and watch...EVEN Yao had to stand and watch him after pick n roll and Yao is out of position to get offensive rebound since Tmac is already shooting while Yao's doing pick n roll.
5. He hardly EVER drive to the basket (an indicative that he is soft). He seems to hate body contact and draw foul.
6. Take a majority of the shots and being inconsistent. The team pretty much live and die by his shots.
7. When the game is on the line, he chooses to shoot jumpers rather than drive and will his way to draw foul and try to get the team back into the game.
8. When the game is intense, he smiles (an indication of a player with no fire)
9. He has no fire or lack thereof. His facial expression of getting fired-up occasionally is unconvincing.
10. He was never a team leader, let alone cheer leader. (Not like Yao, who cheer for even mediocre players off the bench).
11. His public comments of picking the Lakers winning it all while his team is still fighting for the Playoffs is an example of someone that don't have the desire, fire and motivation to step in as a leader for the team or the game.
12. His comment of hoping to play with Duncan or Oneal is an example of someone that failed to see that he is one of the causes for the Rockets failure.

 

you guys have it all wrong

tmac doesnt want to play for a crappy team, so you can forget tradeing him to the bucks,...or clippers,...and tmac will do anything to prevent the trade

next,for those of you that want to "let it expire then sign someone great in 2010" it doesnt work that way

by the time you resign wafer and artest and scola and lowry, you are screwed...you have no cap room left basically because if tmac sits out next year, which i suspect he will sit out on purpose in order to screw the rockets, the rockets will go into the lux tax

if you trade tmac now for joe johnson , then resign artest and lowry you are IN lux tax so you can FORGET joe johnson or WADE EVER coming here

if you want someone, then you need to do sign and trade with artest

now, if your tmac ,and you hate the fans now of houston for booing you, why would you accept a trade to a crappy team that HELPS the rockets ?

and if you think some good team is going to break itself up now for a expiring injured player you can forget it

the suns arent giving you amare for tmac..

so, here is what common sense tells me to predict, tmac will either do a pippen this summer and demand a trade to a GOOD team for SCRAPS like ,to cleveland for wally zerbiack(sp?)

but i also i predict tmac might just say he is injured and take off the entire year again then sign a contract with like lakers for alot less money

tmac is not going to sabotage his career just so a few fans on clutchfans can be happy with joejohnson

plus, if your tmac,why would you accept going to atlanta without joe johnson that team would be the worse in nba

tmac WONT be traded, he will be RELEASED to make room for james white..you heard it here first just a hunch

 

What could he possibly do? His value is as an expiring contract. No matter what, T-mac's deal comes off the books in 2010. Nothing he does will change that.

 

A resigned Ben Gordan/Heinrich/Salmons for Tracy/Aaron/Dorsey (Rose tie in)

$ off of the bench
A decent PG (i know his contract is kinda high but it acually decreases over the years)
A replacement 2

 

I am begging, begging for this.

Baron had a terrible year, but he was in a terrible situation. But he's one of the 10 best point guards in the league and a great defender (when motivated). Buy low.

Camby is the perfect replacement for Deke, and his contract expires in 2010. That would allow us to resign Scola without going over the cap (hopefully Camby would take a smaller deal at that point, or maybe Dorsey is ready by then).

Can you imagine Baron, Ron, Shane, Camby, and Yao all on the floor at once? Who could possibly score against us?

Baron is never going to work out with the Clippers, and they have no use for Camby with Kaman and Randolph locked into long-term deals. I bet they'd trade both for TMac and AB. I also bet it would've already happened if TMac hadn't come up lame.

 

http://www.jazzfanz.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36075

LOL

 

why is everyone ragging on this thread? more importantly, why is everyone assuming he has no trade value? it's his contract that makes him attractive, not his on-court ability.

i want to know what we can realistically get for mcgrady because this series confirms that at the least, we have a pretty good team. we need to build on this and continue adding to our core to cover up the weaknesses that are exposed.

i would be interested right now if we could get a resigned ben gordon.

 

TMAC's attractive trade bait because he has a large expiring contract. If a potential trade partner is looking for cap relief, why would they trade expiring contracts back? That defeats the purpose of trading for TMAC in the first place.

Not gonna happen. They still want to win and they are. They're not rebuiding and they're not going to trade the best player in franchise history.

Does TMAC have a no trade clause in his contract? Because I've never heard anyone talk as if he does. If he doesn't then the Rockets can trade him to whoever they want to and TMAC can't do a damned thing about it.

EDIT: Just checked. TMAC doesn't have a no trade clause.

TMAC is still on the books and still counts toward the cap. It's not like TMAC's salary doesn't count because he's injured and we're using that money to sign players. If we're at the cap limit, then when TMAC's contract is up, then we're 23MM below the cap. If we Ron and Wafer to multi year deals this offseason, then that really doesn't affect the cap relief TMAC would give when his contract expires because they'd already be under contract.

 

I don't know how much Tracy can net us on the market. On one hand, you're trading for a 23 million dollar contract, meaning you're trading someone of good value away. On the other hand, you're trading for a 23 million contract that expires at the best possible time.

I don't think anyone will trade for TMac. I think the Rockets' brass should just let the 23 mil come off the books in '10. If anything, we can probably sign one of the superstars, OR sign 2-3 players that will really help the team.

 

since GSW is strapped for cash I would love to see if they'll trade biedriens but he isprobably locked in there so instead:

tmac/brooks

for

ellis
maggette
turiaf


ellis is that speed, penetrating guard that brooks is but even more so...
maggette is a foul drawing machine
turiaf while a bit undersized for a C he is a great rebounder and shot blocker


i just dont know if Morey is will to swallow those huge contracts though

but with a resigned artest and wafer

ellis/lowry
artest/wafer
battier/maggette
scola/landry
yao/turiaf

that would be sick...

 

If possible, Ginobili (expiring 10 million), Oberto (3 million 2 years, only 1.9 guaranteed), and Kurt Thomas.

We cut Oberto (although it woul be nice to see how he combines with Scola those two would make the most unathletic frontcourt in the nba), we keep KT to be our new Deke, and we can take a look at Ginobili last contract year.
He will be coming from the same injury Yao came this year (we all know it has no sequels) and also be in a contract year (but i think this guy plays always as if he was in a contract year).

At the end of the year we would only have KT on the books at 3.9 million, which is a little high, but also a very tradeable player.

Not sure if the Spurs would do it, but the really want to unload salaries for 2010, and they get a chance to take a look at T-Mac as well.

 

Exactly. Tracy McGrady will be one of the most sought after players (read: contracts) in the league next season.

 

Since we are in the game of hypotectical and what if questions

what if t-mac comes back before the trade deadline and perform at his superstar level, then what ?

speculations are for people who truly do not have a life

 

Detroit.

Off the top of my head I think Stern recently commented that he doesn't expect the cap to go down this summer.

If the cap continues its annual trend of 4% increasesand they release the rights/cap holds of their free agents. Pistons could be around $24-26 million under the salary cap.

Pistons have the 15th (1st rd), 36th (2nd rd, T-Wolves option), 39th (T-Wolves option), and the 44th picks.

At the least the Rockets get a $23M TE and a mid-2nd round pick.

 

So fast it would make your head spin.

DD

 

Thacabbage is spot on! The day the season ends, TMAC becomes our best commodity! What Tmac does on the court is completely and utterly meaningless. It's odd that so many people talk about him as if it matters even in the slightest what he wants or what he does. He's a bargaining chip, a leverage tool, a carrot to dangle over someone's head but make no mistake - he's not being dangled as an NBA player for next year. That's absurd!

He's a cap-space number - - -period! TMAC will never wear a Rockets uniform again...ever....again....ever....again.....

Please get used to that!

 

Good to know thanks for the info Doc.

DD