What do yall think of Caminiti's admitted steroid usage?

I'm disappointed if this is true. It makes his accomplishments kind of artificial in my opinion. If all or a lot of MLB players are doing this, then shame on them. I don't want to watch a bunch of steroid abusers try to topple each other's performance. I wonder if this is how Cami won the Most Valuable Player award for San Diego...all pumped on 'roids?

I can't stand the "everyone is doing it" line. Is he trying to tell me he couldn't play baseball without artificial help? That is utter garbage. What kind of example does he set? Not to mention the stuff can kill you. Is that how he makes all those unbelievable plays at third base and those power throws? Was that all on steroids as well?

I would like to know more specifics about the abuse as I'm only going by your word thus far. Any links? articles?

 

yes he did... this following statement from an article on ESPN.com:
"Ken Caminiti, the National League's Most Valuable Player in 1996, says he won the award while on steroids and that at least half of major-leaguers use the drugs."

for the whole article: http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0528/1387969.html

 

oops, i forgot to say my feelings on the topic...

this not only demeans his own body of work in MLB, but also makes the public question the accomplishments of other modern day stars, especially that of Barry Bonds. Bonds, before last season's 73 homer extravaganzaa, never hit 50 homers in a season throughout his career... fishy, eh?

if i was a sober big leaguer, i would be pissed, because I would know that the public would question my feats on the diamond (and whether they were artificially enhanced)... and i would be competing, for championships and high dollar contracts, against others that were using illegal substances to pump up their statistics!

 

I think he should have been using when he was on my damn fantasy team

 

Well, MLB is does not randomly test its players, so what do you expect. I've been sprouting this off for the last 2 years, but no one wanted to listen.

Just one more reason to get totally disenchanted with baseball.

Lance & John have this former major leaguer on their show - I think his name is Dee Hamm. Anyway, when he was asked about steroids a couple of weeks ago, his answer was "no one wants to go the ballpark see people bunt, do they? He basically endorsed steroid use. What a freaking disgrace.

I'm so glad Cammi came out. The "closed fraternity" of baseball must be squirming in their seats right now.

 

Wow, huge surprise.

 

Here's what I don't get:

Would you rather be a professional athlete, making $5 million a year, and hitting .300 with 30 homers?

Or would you rather be a professional athlete, making $10 million a year, hitting .350 with 60 homers, and having two shriveled-up testicles to show for it?

In scenario A, you're rich, famous, and successful. And women don't laugh at you when you take off your drawers. I think I'll take that one.

 

This is just another example of how Major League Baseball is out of control. Cammy said half of the players take steroids. Jose Canseco said 85%. I believe Canseco. If the players strike later this summer, MLB as we know it will go down in flames. They (players and owners) only have themselves, and Bud Selig, to blame. If they strike, I will personally never pay a penny to see an MLB game again, and will go only to minor league and college games. I love the Astros, and I love the game, but this is getting ridiculous.

 

Here's the SI report: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/special_report/steroids/

In a interview a few days ago, Canseco said that the reason he's naming names in his book is that while he was "blackballed" & playing in the Independent League, he called several of his friends in MLB & couldn't get anyone to return his calls; basically that everyone he knew in the game just turned their backs on him so he feels no loyalty to them or MLB as a whole.

Steroid use in the minors is rampant, and everyone in management turns a blind eye to it. There was a poll of atheletes (can't remember what sport) that asked something along the lines of "If you could take a substance that would make you the best in your sport for 5-10 years, but would kill you at age 50, would you take it?" A majority said "yes".

Like the Kenny Rogers quote implies, steroids won't make you a good baseball player. If you already have the skills & hand-eye coordination, they will definitely make you better. Pitchers, however, gain little or no advantage by bulking up - it may add 1-2 mph on their fastball, but the loss of flexibility would be definitely detrimental, as would the increase in nagging injuries. Maybe 50+ % of position players juice, but if Cammy's saying that 50% of all MLB players are using, that means that 80+ % of the position players are, more in line with what Canseco was saying.

Lance Berkman & other players have said "I'm clean, test me." but of course the MLBPA won't allow it. Pretty sad that a felonious activity has to be collectively bargained before it's made illegal in MLB.

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He really looked bad in the interviews.

 

What's worse is that he says he no longer produces "testosterone",...I'm sorry, but I value my body producing this hormone...no money.

 

2 words : mark mcgwire

this has been going on for so long its not even funny and sorry kagy but people are taking your second offer..

for so long they have been talking about a juiced ball and it is the players that are...

how obvious was it all along?? come on this is old news ...like we didnt know liberace was gay..please

 

LIBERACE WAS GAY????????? Whatever.....next you'll try to tell me Elton John is gay too. Pfffft.

 

First of all Jose Conseco doesn't have any room to talk, he's so roided up it's a joke. And his claim that he was "blackballed" is such a joke. The guy sucked later in his career, at least hte last year or so. I believe he was batting something like .230 in the minor leagues. As for steroids, if it's illegal to use in society why can't baseball enforce it? And I can't believe Ken Caminiti is proud of it and talking about the money, and "Everybody is doing it". If everybody was robbing a bank, and making millions of dollars off of it, would you do it? Everyone knew they were juicing, but until a player or former player comes out, there isn't anything we can say. Now some are coming out. The roid freaks are in full force. Ken Caminiti, Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Bret Boone, possibly Bonds and Sosa. Pathetic. So much for "God given abilities.

 

article about 'roids in baseball:

Rampant Steroid Use In Baseball

 

As for steroids, if it's illegal to use in society why can't baseball enforce it?

Unfortunately, the MLBPA (player's association) won't let baseball test for steroids because ... well, because they are the MLBPA.

 

they should retire his jersey.

 

Well, Bonds denied it. I do find it strange that he's having his best years at, what 37? He and Sosa have both put on alot of weight, but you can gain muscle naturally. Among those two, I could see it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they just worked hard in the gym. Benefit of the doubt until they're caught.

 

Thanks, gr8-1. My point exactly. I have no doubt that there are players doped up in the big leagues. However, until said players are tested, or admit to taking steroids, then i don't like them being accused based on their stats alone. Shoot, if you are going to call players out, how about those formerly puny second basemen and utility infielders who are pounding out 30+ homers a year, rather than two of the best and hardest working players in the game?

I say test EVERYONE. Make it like a big witch hunt. "Burn him, burn him!"