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Japan pays foreign workers to leave and never come back.

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  1. BetterThanEver

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    Here's an interesting concept paying the foreign workers to leave and never come back. Of course, if Obama did this, he would lose the latino vote next term.

    It would be interesting if Rick Perry promote this in Texas, in order, to get more votes from folks angry about mexican immigration.









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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/b...html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=japan foreign works&st=cse

    Japan Pays Foreign Workers to Go Home
    By HIROKO TABUCHI
    Published: April 22, 2009

    HAMAMATSU, Japan — Rita Yamaoka, a mother of three who immigrated from Brazil, recently lost her factory job here. Now, Japan has made her an offer she might not be able to refuse.

    The government will pay thousands of dollars to fly Mrs. Yamaoka; her husband, who is a Brazilian citizen of Japanese descent; and their family back to Brazil. But in exchange, Mrs. Yamaoka and her husband must agree never to seek to work in Japan again.

    “I feel immense stress. I’ve been crying very often,” Mrs. Yamaoka, 38, said after a meeting where local officials detailed the offer in this industrial town in central Japan.

    “I tell my husband that we should take the money and go back,” she said, her eyes teary. “We can’t afford to stay here much longer.”

    Japan’s offer, extended to hundreds of thousands of blue-collar Latin American immigrants, is part of a new drive to encourage them to leave this recession-racked country. So far, at least 100 workers and their families have agreed to leave, Japanese officials said.

    But critics denounce the program as shortsighted, inhumane and a threat to what little progress Japan has made in opening its economy to foreign workers.

    “It’s a disgrace. It’s cold-hearted,” said Hidenori Sakanaka, director of the Japan Immigration Policy Institute, an independent research organization.

    “And Japan is kicking itself in the foot,” he added. “We might be in a recession now, but it’s clear it doesn’t have a future without workers from overseas.”

    The program is limited to the country’s Latin American guest workers, whose Japanese parents and grandparents emigrated to Brazil and neighboring countries a century ago to work on coffee plantations.

    In 1990, Japan — facing a growing industrial labor shortage — started issuing thousands of special work visas to descendants of these emigrants. An estimated 366,000 Brazilians and Peruvians now live in Japan.

    The guest workers quickly became the largest group of foreign blue-collar workers in an otherwise immigration-averse country, filling the so-called three-K jobs (kitsui, kitanai, kiken — hard, dirty and dangerous).

    But the nation’s manufacturing sector has slumped as demand for Japanese goods evaporated, pushing unemployment to a three-year high of 4.4 percent. Japan’s exports plunged 45.6 percent in March from a year earlier, and industrial production is at its lowest level in 25 years.

    New data from the Japanese trade ministry suggested manufacturing output could rise in March and April, as manufacturers start to ease production cuts. But the numbers could have more to do with inventories falling so low that they need to be replenished than with any increase in demand.

    While Japan waits for that to happen, it has been keen to help foreign workers leave, which could ease pressure on domestic labor markets and the unemployment rolls.

    “There won’t be good employment opportunities for a while, so that’s why we’re suggesting that the Nikkei Brazilians go home,” said Jiro Kawasaki, a former health minister and senior lawmaker of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party.

    “Nikkei” visas are special visas granted because of Japanese ancestry or association.

    Mr. Kawasaki led the ruling party task force that devised the repatriation plan, part of a wider emergency strategy to combat rising unemployment.

    Under the emergency program, introduced this month, the country’s Brazilian and other Latin American guest workers are offered $3,000 toward air fare, plus $2,000 for each dependent — attractive lump sums for many immigrants here. Workers who leave have been told they can pocket any amount left over.

    But those who travel home on Japan’s dime will not be allowed to reapply for a work visa. Stripped of that status, most would find it all but impossible to return. They could come back on three-month tourist visas. Or, if they became doctors or bankers or held certain other positions, and had a company sponsor, they could apply for professional visas.

    Spain, with a unemployment rate of 15.5 percent, has adopted a similar program, but immigrants are allowed to reclaim their residency and work visas after three years.

    Japan is under pressure to allow returns. Officials have said they will consider such a modification, but have not committed to it.

    “Naturally, we don’t want those same people back in Japan after a couple of months,” Mr. Kawasaki said. “Japanese taxpayers would ask, ‘What kind of ridiculous policy is this?’ ”

    The plan came as a shock to many, especially after the government introduced a number of measures in recent months to help jobless foreigners, including free Japanese-language courses, vocational training and job counseling. Guest workers are eligible for limited cash unemployment benefits, provided they have paid monthly premiums.

    “It’s baffling,” said Angelo Ishi, an associate professor in sociology at Musashi University in Tokyo. “The Japanese government has previously made it clear that they welcome Japanese-Brazilians, but this is an insult to the community.”

    It could also hurt Japan in the long run. The aging country faces an impending labor shortage. The population has been falling since 2005, and its working-age population could fall by a third by 2050. Though manufacturers have been laying off workers, sectors like farming and care for the elderly still face shortages.

    But Mr. Kawasaki said the economic slump was a good opportunity to overhaul Japan’s immigration policy as a whole.

    “We should stop letting unskilled laborers into Japan. We should make sure that even the three-K jobs are paid well, and that they are filled by Japanese,” he said. “I do not think that Japan should ever become a multiethnic society.”

    He said the United States had been “a failure on the immigration front,” and cited extreme income inequalities between rich Americans and poor immigrants.

    At the packed town hall meeting in Hamamatsu, immigrants voiced disbelief that they would be barred from returning. Angry members of the audience converged on officials. Others walked out of the meeting room.

    “Are you saying even our children will not be able to come back?” one man shouted.

    “That is correct, they will not be able to come back,” a local labor official, Masahiro Watai, answered calmly.

    Claudio Nishimori, 30, said he was considering returning to Brazil because his shifts at a electronics parts factory were recently reduced. But he felt anxious about going back to a country he had left so long ago.

    “I’ve lived in Japan for 13 years. I’m not sure what job I can find when I return to Brazil,” he said. But his wife has been unemployed since being laid off last year and he can no longer afford to support his family.

    Mrs. Yamaoka and her husband, Sergio, who settled here three years ago at the height of the export boom, are undecided. But they have both lost jobs at auto factories. Others have made up their minds to leave. About 1,000 of Hamamatsu’s Brazilian inhabitants left the city before the aid was even announced. The city’s Brazilian elementary school closed last month.

    “They put up with us as long as they needed the labor,” said Wellington Shibuya, who came six years ago and lost his job at a stove factory in October. “But now that the economy is bad, they throw us a bit of cash and say goodbye.”

    He recently applied for the government repatriation aid and is set to leave in June.

    “We worked hard; we tried to fit in. Yet they’re so quick to kick us out,” he said. “I’m happy to leave a country like this.”
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    Sure, except its a little bit harder for those "latinos" to swim back to japan. It would be a waste of tax dollars money to do this. America can not find enough natural born citizens to fill the unwanted jobs if we do send away our (il)legal immigrant work base.
     
  3. B-Bob

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    To say nothing of a lot of high tech jobs. Seriously. Foreign born workers now fill both edges of the Gaussian.
     
  4. glynch

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    Japan with its xenophobia is having a hard time with engineering/scientific talent. Younger Japanese no longer want to do tough technical work like engineering. Unlike in the US they have a hard time getting hungry Indian and South Asians to immigrate there as there prejudice against foreigners is not liked by these immigrant groups who can afford to be choosy.
     
  5. YallMean

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    This sums up for me. Shame on the Japanese gov't coercing poor immigrant workers to leave. A few thousand dollars are not enough to compensate those that have contributed. This is very disturbing.
     
  6. Major

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    Isn't this a voluntary thing? It might be shortsighted for Japan, but it seems only a positive for the immigrant works. All it does is give them another option. They can still stay in Japan if they want.
     
  7. rhadamanthus

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    I dunno, the whole "you must agree to never come back" thing seems rather harsh.

    Oddly, I was being considered for an assignment in Japan via my company just a few days ago. Weird.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Seems short sighted in the context of Japan's low population growth to permanently foreclose the country to parts of a large community of ethnic Japanese.
     
  9. glynch

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    Very short sighted, especially in light of their xenophobia.
     
  10. Major

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    But it's in exchange for free money. It's a voluntary deal they can accept or simply ignore.
     
  11. vlaurelio

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    I think its more like they're willing to pay anyone who voluntarily leaves, but if they come back then the government just wasted money and there's too much supply of workers again.. so they have to commit not to come back if they want to get paid..

    on the other hand, in the future if Japan do need workers/immigrants again, I'm pretty sure they'll let them return..
     
  12. Space Ghost

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    The lifestyles in America and Japan are quite different. The Japanese sacrifice more and work harder. The American concept is the less you make, the harder you work. Americans demand more money so they can keep up with the Jones. We expect boom pay during recessions. Simple fix; Hire foreign workers who will work for less.
     
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    I totally agree with this being shortsighted. If Japan is serious about the no return policy they are basically saying xeno-phobia is more important than economic development. My guess is that if the global recession ever ends you will see them rethink this policy.

    As for trying this in the US not a chance. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Perry try to demagogue this but the reality of trying a program like this in the US makes it totally impractical.
     
  14. rhadamanthus

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    True, it is voluntary. But it's also extremely permanent.

    Not that I'm surprised - Japan has never, ever been pleased with immigration.
     
  15. YallMean

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    Not exactly. Imagine some family is in limbo desperate for money because the husband just got laid off, and imaging the local gov't come to family, not for the purpose to help the family, tells the family here is $3000, if you take it leave the town for good. This is taking advantage of people's unfortunate situation in the name of helping economy, which , as someone already said, is doubtful to be effective and very short sighted. This is cold hearted coercing, anti-immigration hatred at display.
     
  16. Air Langhi

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    They still have low unemployment. It would be hilarious if rick perry tried to do this.
     
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    In this instance, is this really xenophobia if these "Latin American guest workers" are ethnically Japanese? This is more like the gentleman's way of deportation with severance.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Are you kidding? Of course it is - the fact that non-native ethnic japanese are singled out and asked to go away after decades since they're basically still outsiders in the eyes of the Japanese - highlights the divisions of their society in way that few others on earth can match.
     
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    So you are saying they were deported not because of discrimination but a purely economic reason?

    I hate a dishonest argument like that.

    :D
     
  20. RockieGuy09

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    Are you kidding? It's not like they are being handcuffed to a ship and sent back to South America. From what I read, it's a volunteer program and they can take a ransom with them to go home and be a rich man there. You people talk like it's a international scandal or something. Read the news first before you comment next time.
     

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