Ok, it seems that the rocks are set on Ming so lets assume we draft Ming. Ok, now what? 1) Aquiring Odom. How do we get him while at the same time keeping our #1 pick to draft yao? 2) Aquiring Lewis. How do we get him while at the same time keeping our #15 pick? Is he unrestricted? Sign and trade for KT and a second rounder? You guys have probably beat this to death already. I apologize for the lag...
I'd like it if we will: A.) draft B. Nachbar at 15th if he's there. If not then the best player available. B.) trade the 15th and KT for a higher draft position to draft N. Tskit..., or woods or some other sf. If not then a PF. C.) trade for a vet sf but I don't think we have what it takes to get Lewis or Odom without loosing Francis, Cat, Griffin or #1. I agree totally that we will go for a SF this summer as we don't have any that can play there the majority of the time. Rice might not be fully recovered, Griffin is no SF, Cat is too short, Kenny is too slow(fast for a PF), Torres is also too short, Morris definitely could play but has no shot, and Williams might be gone. It's kinda funny how we keep playing SGs and PFs at the SF position and then play the true SFs like Rice and Williams as PFs. I guess RT really does love mismatches.
There are many great looking SFs in this draft giving CD a slew of options. But if Odom can be had without losing the #1, Steve or Griffin, I'd jump all over it. Would you trade Cat for Odom? I'd have to think long and hard about that one but what they need is a PG. 3 way of Cat, Baron Davis/Andre Miller and Odom?
UTweezer - Here is a thread which truly explains the difficulty of signing Rashard Lewis. IMO, it is the definitive word on the subject (but it is lengthy). http://bbs.clutchcity.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34197 If we get Ming, my vote goes for Nachbar if he's available. Last year a poster in Spain (boville) told us all how good Gasol was. Boville says Nachbar is this years steal.
Here's a question...would you trade Francis + 37th pick for Odom + 8/12th pick? We might have to add KT in order to sweeten the deal a little for the Clips. I know it leaves us without a true starting PG, but everyone has been talking about how Odom would be the "point-forward". We could have a conceivable starting lineup of: PG - Cat SG - Odom SF - Best available at 8/12 PF - Griffin C - Ming Whoever that SF is, I could see this lineup causing a lot of matchup problems. Then we have Cato, Taylor, Rice, Moochie, T-Rock, #15 pick coming off the bench. Honestly, I don't know if I like that team better than a team with Francis still on it and just keeping the 15th pick...but that's just what happens when you stay up too late thinking about these kinds of things.
First of all, I love your moniker brocktoon. (I shouldn't want to keep Mr. Belvedere in a glass jar in my basement) Second, Cat can't play the point and Odom can't defend at the two. Third, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much to give for Odom. Fourth, Fancis isn't going anywhere.
Ha Ha Ha. Nice belly laugh from that one. You must be a giant clipper fan? Odom came off his worst year ever, Shooting just 40% from the field and a pathetic *19%* from 3pt line, and a Shaqesque 65% from the charity stripe - you must be kidding - plus a whopping 3.3 turnovers a game At this point Odom is a player that makes your whole team worse. Trade Francis and you better get a premier PG in return.
I would try to find some solid role players to fill in - like Malik Rose, Bowen, Lynch, Bobby Jackson. Guys who play tough defense, rebound, block shots, and bring some intensity to the team but aren't offensive liabilities.
Nope, not a Clippers fan at all. Like I said in my post, I'm not sure if I liked that Odom deal better than just keeping Stevie....I was just hypothesizing. It was just an idea of how to acquire a player that A LOT of people seem to want to get. I still haven't heard a viable option for getting Odom without touching our #1 pick.
1. Package the 15 and someone for a good SF like Odom 2. Sign Rashard either with the mid level exception (which he probably would not do) or do a sign and trade (which Seatle probably would not do) and spend the 15th pick on Jeri Welsch. 3. If all of the SF's worth a crap are gone by 15 and a quality SF was not aquired vial trade or free agency then draft Nenad Krstic with one of your remaing picks and hope he developes.
I agree completely with this. Nachbar and Nick Tschick are on the same team and Nachbar is the reason Nick Tschick is riding the pine.
In my little scenario where I had Cat at PG, I did not mean he'd be handling the true PG duties. I absolutely know that Cat should not be a PG. Odom would be the "point-forward" on offense...Cat would handle the PG's defensively. Those opposing PG's would then in turn have to D-up on Cat, which would probably cause some match-up problems. Again, I'm not necessarily for this trade scenario...I just thought of it as an option. I've seen a couple of people saying to package #15 + someone else for Odom. Who else can we package with that #15 that would actually look good to the Clippers? I think KT might be the only thing they might be interested in. I know salaries don't match up, but is #15 + KT enough to get Odom?
I think you are right in that Nachbar is a very intriguing prospect ... the question is however if you need another shooter with questionable defense ... Drafting Ming and Nachbar would suggest that you are mimicking dallas but trying to be even more extreme with more shooting and less defense ... To me a Francis, Cat, Nachbar, Griffin, Ming lineup is basically 4 SG's and a really tall SG ... I really dont see how such a lineup could be succesful ... way to many offense first players ... If I was a rocket fan I would be a little worried that the young guys wont get enough to work with on the offensive end and thus not progress as far/fast as they otherwise could ...
In Nachbar, we're looking at a Hedo Turkoglu type of player. Smart SF, who can come off the bench and heat things up in a hurry. According to Boville, he is a player, and whoever lands him will not be disappointed.