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Tit for Tat

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Docsdock, Apr 23, 2009.

  1. Docsdock

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    The Rocket's offense runs through Yao. Portland has decided to continuously front and/or double team the big guy and deny him the ball. In effect they believe that the rest of our players cannot beat them. How about tit for tat.

    The Portland offense flows through Brandon Roy. He does it all, shoot, pass and run the plays. Why not continuously double team him with Ron-Ron and Battier and deny Roy the ball--sorta like what we did against LBJ the last time he visited our house. Challenge the rest of their team to defeat us. I do not believe that Aldridge and Outlaw can take us out. Brooks/Lowry on Blake; Scolandry on LA, Yao on JP/the old one. Batun--who cares.

    What do you think?
     
  2. Htown57

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    The difference is that, even if we double team Roy, he has the ball in his hands and can hit the open player. Yao can't kick out of a double team if he doesn't have the ball--that's why fronting is so effective.

    Roy is an unselfish player, and if we make it our policy to double him he'll find people all day. That fact that you say "Batum...who cares?" about an insanely athletic player who hits 37% of his threes shows the flaws in this plan...

    The only real oppurtunity we have to trap Roy is off the pick and roll, and i'm sure Scola, Landry, and Hayes would all be happy to hedge out and trap Roy but the Blazers, wisely, choose to go at Yao on nearly every screen, and Yao doesn't have the footspeed to chase Roy around the perimiter.

    All that being said, Battier had some success during the time he defended Roy denying Roy the ball at critical points in the shot clock. Against a guard, that's not sustainable for an entire game but it can disrupt the offense a bit, like you're suggesting.


    I say the best solution isn't that complicated--put Battier on Roy, and turn him into an inefficient jump shooter as best as we're able. All doubling will do is get us burned .
     
  3. RV6

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    i think he meant we should try doubling him before he gets the ball, exactly how they defend Yao...


    but the problem with that is yao is in the post, so doubling him still gives them defenders near the rim, if we double Roy the same way, we'll have guys out in the perimeter so are more likely to leave the paint open for them.
     
  4. RV6

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    and im not sure why most posters keep focusing on shane/ron when it comes to defending roy, like the no layups video said, roy's points were roughly 80% from coming off of picks. While shane does do a better job of denying him the all in the first place, if roy gets a pick almost every time, he'll still shoot a good percentage and get 25-30 pts, UNLESS he's got a defender meeting him after the pick, Yao and deke usually do this. THAT is the most important part right now because Deke is out and Yao cant cut him off everytime because he'll get in foul trouble. This is where Dorsey comes in. He's smaller, yet strong and long arms, so he may actually give Roy fits. Scola/landry also have to rotate in to cut him off when Yao is in instead of just letting him attack Yao so he wont get in foul trouble.
     
  5. Dave_78

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    Yao is a post player. He has to catch the ball in virtually the same spot every time. He is also not very mobile so the pass has to pin point.

    Roy can catch the ball anywhere on the court and then take it to where he wants. Of course, he is also pretty quick so actually locking him down with two guys before he catches the ball would be quite difficult. Maybe throwing in a random off the ball double team might be effective to catch Portland off guard but to repeatedly double-team him would probably result in him slicing up the defense with surgical precision.
     
  6. orbb

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    Th have SFs and PFs who can knock down 18 footers comfortably. Doing what the OP suggested is suicide.
     
  7. A_3PO

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    You can't double-team a player 25 feet from the basket for long periods just to deny him the ball. Dumb idea unless you want to give up a bunch of dunks. After the 1st time (or maybe during the 1st time), the Blazers would adjust and kill the defense.

    The ONLY time you do this is when a player is going nuclear and you have to make someone else shoot the ball. Wade scored the last 13 points for the Heat in the 1st half last night. It was an incredible display. No way Woody should have allowed that to happen.
     
  8. bingfei236

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    we got to find the way to give yao the ball , if we can beat the fronting, why not run the pick&roll between Brooks &yao , let yao shot more 16 feet shots. To be honest, it has been all season long we have talked about front deffense, there is no solution at this time!!! and as far as i can see, Yao shots the mid-range pretty good, it is worth to try, at least better than Ron shots the fade away, contested 3point shot.
     
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    Fronting a 7'6" post player on the block is entirely different from guarding a 6'6" shooting guard with 2 defenders while he's roaming all over the court. You don't think the wide open Portland player(s) are going to cut to the basket, spot up for wide open 3's, or at least run wild on offensive rebounds?

    Just completely different.
     
  10. Mike Hunt

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    no, doubling a perimeter player is almost never heard of. If it was easy as you made it sound, then people would merely double team Ware or Lebron or Kobe
     
  11. Docsdock

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    If no one does this then that's a good reason for us to use it. We need to get Portland out of their comfort zone and we need to shake them up. They are a young team that is easily rattled, ala game one. When their game plan falls apart they play like a very mediocre team. Disrupt Roy and their offense will stagnate and eventually fall apart. Book it :D :D :D
     
  12. manhore

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    I say let Roy get his. I don't mind Roy getting 40 if it takes him 35 shots to do it. The Rox would've won if they didn't let Aldridge get off also. I say put Ron on Aldridge and keep Shane on Roy.
     
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  13. DaDakota

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    Yep...I like this.....and your nick...

    DD
     
  14. manhore

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    It could've been he-b**** but settled for manhore.
     
  15. Old Man Rock

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    SO in Summary...

    They can stop Yao from geting the ball in the low post where he is highly effective and we can't stop Brandon Roy from getting the ball anywhere where he is highly effective.

    I would only add Aldridge and Outlaw are better scorers than Battier and Artest.
     

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