I'm a regular on the StarNews Pacers forum and they are always trying out trades on there and right now they are hot and heavy after Andre Miller(as are fans of about 25 different teams, lol) I've read this forum for a long time and its a very good forum, but never really felt compelled to do anything but lurk, since I'm a Laker fan and you guys aren't much competition j/k Seriously, though, why do you think this trade wouldn't work? LMAO this is great... Pacers trade: Tinsley, Artest Pacers receive: Andre Miller Cavs trade: Andre Miller, Jeff Trepagnier, Chris Mihm, #6 pick overall Cavs receive: Tinsley, Artest, Lamar Odom Clippers trade: Lamar Odom, #8 and #12 picks Clippers get: #1 pick overall Houston trades: #1 pick HOuston gets: Cavs #6, CLips #8 and Clips #12 -------------- My short take Clippers go on to take Jason Williams and use the money they would have spent on Odom's extension to resign Kandyman longterm. Plus they get more presence inside with Mihm and add USC star Trepagnier if they want to keep him. Houston gets a chance to build a dynasty if they make good draft choices. Cleveland gets a big time stud in Odom, a good young point in Tinsley and a good wing in Artest. Pacers get one of the top 4 point guards in the game. Miller is much more steady and reliable than Tinsley and even plays better defense(its hard not to, Tinsley was the worst defensive PG in the league this year, imo)
You can laugh if you want, but I forgot to add the Clips picks in on their trade line, but I'm laughing at you for being a moron and not noticing that the Rockets get the 2 clipper 1st rounders.
Do you really think this could actually happen? Especially with insiders confirMING the #1 pick? Quit BSin.
To me this trade looks like it just turns us into the Clippers - a bunch of young (and hopefully talented) players, but no experience. If HOU trades the #1, they'd better get at least one stud vet out of it. Since POR is talking, I'm betting they're waving Rasheed and maybe Davis - a much better deal.
Could it, yeah. Would it, no. THe Rockets are going to take Ming and continue to waddle around in the lottery with stevie, cat, and their new 7'5 backup shooting guard. Or the Rockets could trigger a deal like this (assuming everyone else would jump on it) and get 3 guys like say..... Either Wilcox or Butler if they fell to #6 and then maybe some Curtis Borchardt with teh #8, and with the 12, you could choose between projects like Tskitishvilli and Stoudamire or make a pick like Jeffries, Haislip or Ely.
Its not that bad of a deal, just Houston comes out slightly behind. With the #15th, that would give them four picks in the 1st round, 5 total in the draft. To many rookies. Entertain me at least with another team accepting some of these picks in a trade up.
Thats a fair argument, indeed and if Portland is actually crazy enough to offer Sheed for the #1 pick, then the Rockets would have to jump at it. One thing to keep in mind is that the Rockets aren't going to become the Lakers or Kings overnight. Great playoff teams are built in stages. You saw that with Detroit in the 80s, Indiana and NY in the early 90s, Utah and LA in the mid 90s and with the Kings today. BTW, great playoff team doesn't = championship team, I'm just talking about teams that were perennial participants in the conference finals for a long stretch. Teams get to the championship level with baby steps with the exception of the Sp*rs. And, yes, Sheed would promote that cause but I dont see how Portland could justify trading him when they have much bigger a-holes on that team.
So I suppose that Houston is going to make a big playoff push next year huh? Yao Ming is going to make that much a difference for them? Ya think? Lets say that all the teams in the WC playoffs improve next season with the exception of Utah, which exits the playoff scene. Do you honestly think that the Clippers aren't better than the Rockets? I'll assume you agree that the Clippers are clearly better than the Rockets at this point and now you can tell me who, besides Utah, will slip out of the playoff hunt next year in the WC.
Stop slamming Chauncey dude, he did not say that this trade was going to happen or that he had any inside info he just wanted to know if anyone else would make this trade.
Francis missing a lot of games, Taylor missing the whole year, Rice missing most of the year. Really takes the wind out of a team when 3 starters are out for a lot of games.
Umm, Chauncey (reminds me of the old Bullwinkle gag..."Yea, Edgar?"..lol): the Rockets are going to do either one of 2 things: 1) draft Ming 2) trade the pick and get an established veteran and picks...not trade it for all picks I know that you proposed this & feel it would never happen, but why would a team that won 45 games 2 seasons ago want to have that many young guys on their roster? I have a feeling that if Rudy and CD don't keep Ming or pass on him, it is because they want to add someone now to get into the playoffs. I still feel that the Rockets have an excellent chance of making the playoffs next season regardless of Ming's contributions. Maybe you think all the fans here that are hoping we pick Ming feel we'll automatically be in the finals, but not me. I'm a little more realistic...I see us being a 7 or 8 seed for about 2 seasons and then breaking into the top 4 right when Griffin, Ming, Mobley, and Francis are all breaking their stride in playing together.
Its simple really. The Rockets play in the conference where all the big men roam. Even with Ming, the Rockets would still have absolutely no one who can play, or even comprehends, the idea of position defense in the post. You tell me who the veteran presence that the Rockets can get for the #1 pick that will help them get to the finals in the next 5 years. The only player thats even feasible thats that high caliber is Rasheed Wallace and Portland would be stupid to trade him instead of the rest of the idiots on that team. About the Rockets making the playoffs next year. I'll ask you teh same question I asked above. Lets assume Utah doesn't make it in the playoffs. The Clippers are definitely a more talented team than the Rockets(as long as they resign Kandy and dont give up Odom for nothing). You have to put them in ahead of Houston. The question for the Rockets to get in now becomes, who else doesn't make the playoffs next year? I guess you could make a case for Seattle, though their younger players are just going to get better and better and Gary Payton just hasn't lost anything yet. You could make a bigger argument for Minnesota with all of the internal strife up there, especially if Wally ends up getting traded for a high draft pick. So, if you want to tell me that Houston will fill a void left by Minnesota, I canbuy into that. I can't buy into them being better than either the Clips or Sonics though.
<i>Its simple really. The Rockets play in the conference where all the big men roam. Even with Ming, the Rockets would still have absolutely no one who can play, or even comprehends, the idea of position defense in the post</i> I think that you just made the best argument for not trading the pick. The NBA West is a big man's league and Ming has the potential to be a top center. Sure it's not a guarenteed thing, but if we were to do the deal that you suggest, who would we end up getting that even has a chance to compete with the Duncan and Shaq's of the world? Curtis Borchardt? Wilcox? Those guys are a much longer shot than Ming and if we took them, we'd probably lose out on a chance to take Butler. Ming can play, I haven't seen one NBA coach/scout/exec say that he can't play. They might disagree on exactly how good he'll be. But the worst projection that any NBA folks have made is to say that he's a Ric Smits with better passing skills and more heart. Well, if that's the downside, then he's better than anything we currently have or can get at #6 on down. Ming has the chance to be great, that's not something that you pass up. Don't tell me he's Shawn Bradley, he's not and everybody knows that. Go read what NBA people have said about him. Nobody says that he's going to be a bust. As far as the Clippers, how about we wait till they actually break .500 for a season, before we start penciling them into the playoffs? Your trade was interesting, but I doubt that Cleveland would do this deal. If they won't max out Miller, then why trade for Odom? Then if they don't pay Odom big money (which they wouldn't), then he walks next off season. That's the same reason that I don't really want the Rockets to acquire Odom. He's too much of a risk to give a big money long term contract to right now, but if you don't then you might lose him for nothing.
Welcome to the site. We value fans of other team's opinions but when you are in our house, respect our house. As for your trade proposal, it is actually not a bad a idea but it is wrong for the Rockets. The numerous draft picks would be beneficial for a team such as Cleveland or Denver. Cleveland from what I have read is interested in Lebron James and are already looking towards the lottery next year and Denver plans to be a big player in the summer of 2003.(free agency) Draft picks are cheap and are excellent building blocks for teams that are starting their rebuilding process. I believe both of our tams are in the tail end of the rebuilding process. As for your comment, I agree that the Clippers have a bright future. However, I do not agree that Clippers are better than the Rockets. It will be interesting to see what happens next year.
Aelliot, I"ve seen Ming play. I actually have three game tapes sitting in my den that I've had for about a year and a half. Dont preach to me about his game. I know exactly what his game is and I've known his game long before the last four months. If you believe in him, there's no way you'd trade the pick, period, but if you're like me and you have some very real reservations about his NBA future, you have to consider the other options. I was just putting this out there to see how juiced you guys were about getting Ming and I'm pretty surprised that most of you are so 100% behind the guy.
If Ming hasn't progressed in the last year and a half, then I say we better trade him. If he has, those old video tapes aren't worth much.
6, 8, and 12 is a pretty good trade for the Rockets... However, that is just too many rookies in the same year, especially if we still have the #15. 4 #1's won't help us much. What I would want to do is trade the 12 and 15 picks for future 1st rounders. At 6, take Butler or Woods. At 8, take Borchardt. That trade would help our weak depth. I just don't know if LAC would get the #1 overall for Odom... They'd have to trade Brand, which ain't happening.
