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Magic Numbers against the Western Conference

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ScriboErgoSum, Feb 20, 2009.

  1. Bob Monkeyson

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    I haven't been able to get enough clarification on this, but if spurs, rockets, and blazers all win out, then who gets the #3 seed and wins the division? (assuming denver wins the rest of the their games too)
     
  2. agentkirb87

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    The Rockets are in the perfect playoff position IMO. If we lose 1 of these games, we're most likely playing the lesser of Portland or San Antonio. If we beat both New Orleans and Dallas, then that means we're playing New Orleans or Dallas in the 1st round.

    Basically, if for some reason Dallas just smokes us in their game, at least we wont have to worry about seeing them again in the playoffs. But if we smoke them, then we have a decent shot of seeing them in the 1st round.
     
  3. ibm

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    in that case, it will be #2 denver #3 houston (division leader) #4 spurs and #5 blazers.

    but why i am having a hunch that tomorrow denver is gonna lose to sacto? :cool:
     
  4. BrooksBall

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    Perhaps you're overrating the fact that they gave a depleted Spurs team a run for their money?

    I see the rested Nuggets beating the Kings convincingly in Denver even if the Kings have a little chip on their shoulder after getting screwed over last night.

    But anything can happen in this league on a given night so I hope I'm wrong.
     
  5. ScriboErgoSum

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    The Rockets win the tie break over the Spurs and win the Southwest division. With the division title they automatically win the multiple team tie break (would have won it without that stupid rule anyways) and are the #3 seed. The Blazers won the season series 3-1 over the Spurs and win that tie break, so Blazers are #4 and Spurs are #5.

    ibm, you flipped the Blazers and Spurs.
     
  6. Bob Monkeyson

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    ok thanks ;)
     
  7. agentkirb87

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    Man... looking back at that Spurs game we won. It's the difference between us in a potential 2nd seed these last two games and us being almost a certain 5th seed. Hoping Portland loses because we won the tiebreaker on them.

    Easily the biggest game of the season.
     
  8. ibm

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    maybe i did, 'cause i didn't care about the spurs and the blazers. :cool:

    but in the scenario the poster set out, the blazers and the nuggets can't both win out since they play the last regular season game against each other. so if denver wins out, they'd be #2 and portland will be #5. if the blazers win out and denver loses one game, still assuming both the spurs and rockets win out, then the seeding will be #2 houston #3 denver #4 portland #5 san antonio. right?
     
  9. BucMan55

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    Yes, thats correct. The 4 teams can not all win out, as the Blazers and Nuggets play each other. If Houston and Spurs win out, then Houston will win the TB and either be 2 or 3 with Spurs being 4th or 5th.
     
  10. Tree Rollins

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    The Blazers play Denver on Wednesday night, so all four teams can't win out.
     
  11. Tree Rollins

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    Yes, because you handle the division tiebreakers first. Houston over San Antonio due to record against Western Conference Playoff teams and Denver over Portland due to Divisional record. Then you go Houston over Denver and Portland over San Antonio due to head to head

    2. Houston 54-28
    3. Denver 54-28
    4. Portland 54-28
    5. San Antonio 54-28
     
  12. CheezeyBoy22

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    It would of meant a whole hella of a lot to Houston. We are tied with the Spurs as of right now. Had the Spurs lost, that would of given them 29 losses instead of 28.

    I'm just soo tired of the Rockets never benefitting from any type of calls. As i stated before, with the Jazz when they were playing GS. It pisses me off because everyone talks about how Dwight Howard gets all these freethrow attempts because of all the fouls he draws. Well you know what, if they called the game right, Yao would be leading that easy. Yao gets too much punishment not to benefit from it.

    Not only that, there's a reason why soo many folks have issues with the NBA. It's not called fair and it's been shown time and time again. I love my Rockets to death and it ticks me off how we get the short end all the time. Great teams fight through it but it comes to a point where something has got to get done.
     
  13. Tree Rollins

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    The Rockets would have still needed the Spurs to lose one more game for it to change anything for Houston.

    Now the Warriors-Spurs game is meaningless to Houston.
     
  14. agentkirb87

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    Ok.. but say the Spurs beat the Warriors (pretty likely). That Kings loss wouldn't have changed anything. Here are the scenarios:

    Assuming the Spurs beat the Warriors
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    Spurs lose to Kings, lose to NO ---> We only need to win 1 of our last two games to win division (we would flat out have better record)
    Spurs beat Kings, lose to NO-----> We only need to win 1 of our last two games to win division (we would be tied and have tiebreaker)

    Spurs lose to Kings, BEAT NO----> We have to win out to win division (would flat out have a better record... can't tie because we would no longer have tiebreaker if we lost to one of our final two division teams)
    Spurs beat Kings, BEAT NO------>We have to win out to win division (we would be tied, if we lost a game we would just have a worse record)

    This is assuming the Spurs beat the Warriors today. Not a sure thing, but very likely.
     
  15. Clutch

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    Few scenarios from Daryl Morey:

    If the Rockets win tonight, they still won't know who they are playing -- Portland, Dallas, New Orleans and San Antonio are all ~equally likely, but Utah and Denver are still possible. If they lose, they are 90% locked into Portland or San Antonio.

    If the Rockets win their final two games and Utah beats LA at home, the Rockets are most likely to play New Orleans and second most likely to play Utah.
     
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    Egad, those scenarios are likely to cause half this bbs to want the Rockets to lose tonight.
     
  17. bball1217

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    Someone check me on this, but if:
    We win tonight AND the Kings pull off an upset against the Nuggets, and assuming Spurs and Blazers win, We would clinch HCA.

    Because if the Nuggets win and Spurs/Blazers/Rockets win tonight, we all have the same record (giving us number 2 seed for now). The only remaining game for the Blazers/Nuggets is against each other, so if we lose against the Mavs, we would hold a tie-breaker against the loser of that game, giving us at least the 4 seed. If we beat the Mavs, we get at least the three seed.

    Is this right?
    (We win, Nuggets lose tonight, and we get HCA)
     
  18. Tree Rollins

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    Yes, at least the 4 seed. But the Nuggets are leading by 4 at halftime. They are fine.
     
  19. RedGlare07

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    SIT YAO DOWN!
     
  20. Tree Rollins

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    Nuggets by 11. That game is over.
     

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