Would you bench Artest from now on unless he get controlled?

who can control him?

 

You dun need to bench him. It'll only hurt the team more. But at least try to control YOUR team by calling a timeout of something. I swear this letting the team get out of a flunk by themselves is not working. YOu can tell every rocket's psyche is down and beaten after Ron just bullied his way for an offensive foul and TO.

 

Somehow I got to agree, we don't have that clutch player ala Kobe,Wade, or LBJ. Artest feels he is, or maybe adelman think he is. Actually he isn't sadly.

That's the reason of our collapse in our 4th. We said that the rockets is playing more like a team with Tmac out. But sometimes that is only for 3 quarters. At the 4th quarter we like to lose control. We're not playing as a team. Especially against Lakers, when we were within 1 after going a good run with good team basketball, everything falls apart. Artest jacks 3s, turnover here and there as we were dribbling without direction, etc. We like to lose our composure.

The point is Adelman needs to keep on playing team basketball, as with Tmac down, we don't really have that go to guy. Yao will be fronted, and for him to be a go to guy downlow, is quiet difficult because the defense will shut him down. They know Yao will turn around and shoot over the defender. The others need to contribute in other ways to keep the spacing open

 

I would bench Ron but not because I think he doesn't know whom he is, I just want a benchoff player can keep our offense running well after our lineups get off the court for rest.

 

I'm not gonna blame Ron for this loss but in the second he helped the Lakers take Yao out of the game. Last night it was just frustrating to see Yao in the post position and still not recieve the ball. It's hard to watch this team sometimes.

 

I will blame him for you,RONVICT, YOU CAN't SHOOT!

No way should we pay for this guy to be here next year and for those that wanted him as the 3rd option.......once again I put this down with all of your Vspan, Boki, Swift Mike James CRAP!

Just because he's HARD doesn't make him GOOD!

 

No, I think at this point he is what he is....I would take him out as soon as he starts going off the reservation, but then put him back in.....

Personally, I would like less of Battier and Artest and more of Wafer.

DD

 

idk.. maybe

 

No one can control a THUG....thats why they are THUGS....they don't use their brain for a living...........he is who we thought he was!STUPID on and off the court.

 

You can't bench him. This is the player he is. I'm surprised it has taken some people this long to see it. Like it or not, our hopes of getting into the second round are largely based on Artest's contributions (good and bad). This season, it's a no-brainer to just roll with the punches. We don't have another consistant scorer outside of Yao, Scola and Ron.

That is this season though. I am shocked at the results on the front page though. 85% to 15% would give him 3 years to keep him? Sorry, not me. While everyone loves a good sound-bite from Ron, his aggressive defense on the floor, and the "TRU- Warior" persona", his offense leaves a lot to be desired. He is a bigger ball stopper then TMac, lacks court vision, and has terrible shot selection. Add this to the fact that his ball handling skills are below average, he has abandoned his post game for some reason, and that says nothing more then a 1 year deal to me. TMac didn't work , and neither will Ron. I'd rather make a run at one of the FA's personally

 

Oops when I voted I thought the OP wanted to bench him during a game, have him be coached on the sidelines, and brought back into the game at some point. But if you go by the thread title alone, I can't say I agree. Ron will never be controlled ... not by this coaching staff. So that would mean an indefinite benching.

Edit: This is my observation and in no way saying Adelman hasn't done a great job with the team. I saw Artest play in Sacramento and he played no different than he's played here ... had the same lapses in discipline in a similar offensive system. I saw him play with Carlisle as his coach in Indiana and I saw him play more structured. The difference is Carlisle was a control freak and called plays on the sidelines, ran a disciplined system. Adelman doesn't need to go to the extreme of Carlisle, but he should be able to talk to Artest during a game and get him on the right track if he loses focus.

 

Benching Artest would mean starting Wafer, and that's not a good alternative.

Obviously, Artest wasn't supposed to be our starting SG and he's doing his best with McGrady out. His biggest fault is that he's trying to do too much, and that's making him take too many bad shots and be an inefficient player. From watching him move, I don't think he's completely over his ankle injury, either.

He's still a very effective player and I'd be happy if the Rockets could sign him to a reasonable contract. And despite what he claims, I think he's better for this team when coming off the bench. However, with McGrady out, there's just no better option at this point.

 

Adelman & Yao is bad combination: motion offense with a traditional, low-post center (I bet Adelman will trade Yao for Paul Gasol).
Adelman & Ron is also bad combination: undisciplined coach running into a headcase.
How about replacing Adelman with Avery Johnson?

 

Benching him, as in not playing him would just piss him off and we'll have an Iverson situation here. Benching him, as in just not starting him probably wont solve anything. The team as a whole needs to hold a meeting and let him know what they think, he'll respond to something like that, they just need to be specific as to what they want from him. they cant just go in there saying "you're shooting too much", etc, because then he'll start not shooting on purpose, even when he's open.

 

This thread is useless because Adelman will never bench RA. He lets players figure it out, even when players can't figure it out. We'll have to get used to Artest winning us games and losing us games, just like we were before with Rafer Alston. The good thing is though Artest more than makes up for his horrible shot selection offense disruption with good physical defense, so the net sum is still a positive for the team. The question is his net contribution worth whatever it is he wants for his salary? I think that's what Morey has to decide over the summer. While he's at it, I'd like him to decide on Adelman as well. He's a good coach, but I think its obvious by now he doesn't know how to use/build around franchise back-to-the-basket centers. If we keep him around, we should find a way to trade Yao Ming for players who are more suited to Adelman offense like Mehmet Okur.

 

to me the answer is no simply because we don't have anyone to replace him, even though i don't like the way he goes one-on-one or one-on-3 sometimes.

if you sit artest, who's gonna start? wafer? barry? head is gone, you know.

 

Artest needs to go also, he gambles too much on D, so he either plays great D or lets them get an easy shot. We can withstand his offense if he played straight up D all the team, not this gambling stuff though..

 

I'm surprised so many people are calling for more Wafer.

Wafer is great offensively, but if anyone watched the game they'd know Wafer was doing horribly on defense. He was incapable of fighting through screens, and often times foul unnecessarily. He wasn't doing a good job at all guarding Vujacic.