but tinman does have a point. tracy does lack that "mental aspect" that is necessary. i believe if he did have that, he might have been able to overcome his obstacles a little better. but it is what it is. he can still salvage his career by working hard and recover from microfracture.
look i would do that trade 10 out of 10 times. No way we would win a title with Francis. But the illusion that Tracy was the guy who would put us over the top is over. Did I think he was the answer? yes. Am I wrong looking back? yes. He's not a top 5 player cause top 5 players would have taken this team far. Duncan, LeBron, Wade, Kobe, and Chris Paul
I said he was a top five player at the time of the trade. If you believe he wasn't please list your top five players back in 04.
look at it from my point of view and the rest of long timers. We haven't been past the first round since Barkley. We traded Cuttino and Steve, these guys weren't that good, but they were well loved by the fans. Steve sucks, but fans still wanted him to play this year. We got Tmac, he was suppose to be our Kobe. Yao was our draft pick and was developing and had a much higher hill to climb considering he's from china. Tmac was established as a superstar when we got him. I hope you newer fans see why we are disappointed in him.
Very true can't disagree with that, but at the same time I don't think he could do anything about the bad back.
i can't believe you just dissed steve. i guess sucks mean putting up to around 20, 5, 5 every year. dude was a deserving all-star for a few years. look injuries got in the way man. if you don't see that, then too bad. 04-05 should have been better than what it was if not for the damn refs (and it's documented that refs cost us that series). 05-06 was lost entirely due to injures to both tmac and yao. 07-08 should have been a special year but yao was out for the playoffs. the ONLY season that you can argue tmac didn't fulfill his role was 06-07. we were relatively healthy and we lost in 7 games. yes, blaming injuries and what not sucks but they are the MAIN reason we haven't advanced past the first round.
I can see why you're disappinted in him, hell I'm disappointed in him too. But why not support hes still a Rocket as of right now. Trashing him isn't going to make things better.
most of tinman's criticisms are valid. i don't think he ever trashes mcgrady. if most of clutchfans criticize players like tinman does, this board would be a better place. however, sometimes his humor is out of touch though.
the entire organization has had bad luck ever since we got Scottie Pippen. I don't rank Tmac as a big failure like Pippen. I'm just disappointed how all of it has gone. Like I said, we weren't going anywhere with Steve Francis, so the Rockets played their cards right. However, it seems everyone else has had a better hand than us.
Yes they are I was just talking about people on here that does trash Tracy. You know the ones that call him names.
I don't trash him. I only smack the posters who keep comparing him to lebron, kobe, dwade or saying he never had a good enough team etc. Orlando was so awesome etc. its about the team. our team is playing well. If someone told me that Ron is better than LeBron, I would say the same thing. We can be Rocket fans without making outrageous comparisons to make us feel better about our failures.
I'm going to ease off the Tmac rants cause I know there's a percentage of people here who need to say outrageous stuff for therapy since Tmac is not playing this year. When we had Barkley and faced the Jazz, we knew Karl Malone was better than him (at that point his career). It's just a sad fact you have to face. So I guess this is similar..except not in the Western Conference Finals
those comparisons are only made when they talk about the "healthy" mcgrady and those comparisons aren't actually outrageous. if you compare the tmac now and the past few years, yes, then it's outrageous.
Kobe and Garnett didn't take their teams past the 1st round until they got better talent around him. This is the 1st year the Rockets have had legitimate talent on the team outside of T-Mac and Yao. But if you look at it, they are still too short in certain areas and too slow in others. So basically I'm of the opinion that one player can not do it all, regardless of their talents.
When Kobe and Garnett were surrounded with talent, they still led their teams deep into the playoffs. When the season began, I'm not sure how many people truly believed McGrady would lead the team anywhere. Originally, I felt that Yao would be the leader with McGrady as the sidekick, and Artest would be the spark off the bench. Awesome opinion you have there. I myself am in the opinion that in order to win a basketball game, you need to score more points than your opponent.
Our talent was good enough to beat Utah and Dallas. We had very good records under JVG. I'm not going to talk about Kobe. Pre-Cassell. Were KG's wolves ever favored to beat the Lakers or Spurs? did they even have home court advantage? We had home court on Utah and were favored. Please explain that collapse.
Tracy McGrady, right? Sense no make man. The whole squad was "supposed" to go far! Although our fallen star lacks simple professional ethics, there is no reason for such negative commentary from the respectable members on this forum. (Indirect comment.)
I don't think so. It was a good thing to put it here instead of starting another thread. Guys would just say the same thing over and over again like they do in other threads about McGrady then try to blame you for making a point less thread. But it is not true.
