No offense Troy, but you don't have a clue. You can argue what a "true" Star Wars fan is all day, because there is nothing to gauge this by. That being said, most people that are into Star Wars already knew why and how the storm troopers were made and why Bobba Fett hated Jedi. Also you couldn't be more wrong about the lack of blood when someone was cut with a light saber. Most, no...everyone that is into Star Wars knows that a light saber cut leaves no blood. Yes it is because of the cut being cauterized. The cauterization affect has been explained many times in a number of the books that take place after ROTJ. If anything in this movie would have warranted an R rating it would have been the intense hand to hand combat and separating of body parts, but that is nothing he didn't already have in his previous SW movies. Does he bring Bobba Fett back as Teen to avenge his fathers death and kill Windu? You're probably right on. Apparently Mace doesn't make it out of ep3 alive. I think everyone now would like to see Yoda fight more and the slow progression of Annakin to the Dark Side. No doubt! The world wants more Yoda! Anakin's slower progression to the Dark Side might help pick up some of the fallen pieces from the first two movies. Lucas is already on record saying that ep3 will be the darkest of all of the movies, but that's pretty much a given. Does he bring back Jinn as a spirit? I thought about this as well. It's definitely something that, if used properly, could really be of some use. I'm actually a little disappointed that Lucas didn't explore this idea in AOTC. Or the ever popular and marketable Darth maul we all grew to love. As popular as he was, I think Darth Maul may be history, unless he somehow comes back and somehow becomes a part of Anakin(horrible idea). Do I think these love scenes were rushed? of course, it should have been a drawn out more process, but getting secretly married has progressed the way Lucas wanted it.[/i I agree with you here. Lucas did the right thing, but carrying out the secret wedding, but the whole thing was rushed. Quite Honestly I think episode 3 should be atleast 3-4 hrs. Now if he decides to redo parts 4,5,6 would we pay to see them? OF COURSE! Why you ask? because it is all about curiosity. IMO ep 1 and 2 should have been longer, that way less info would have to be crammed into each subsequent film. Would we pay to see redos of ep 4-6? Probably, but I don't think they should be changed anymore than they already ahve been. Just hope like hell a theatre close to you has this new digital projector because Lucas has vowed not to release Episode 3 to theatres who don't. I thought he said he was going to institute this policy after ep1 came out. Oh well, I don't care as long as he puts a little more effort into ep 3.
I think either Bobba or Dooku kills Mace, no doubt. But, is it possible for a non-jedi to kill a jedi one-on-one?
Oh, as far as the caliber of actor, I agree for the most part...but it still has a lot to do with the director and the material they are given. Plus, its a lot easier to create chemistry when you aren't acting in front of a blue screen for hours on end. My point is the writing - and the directing - doesn't change much between the two sets of movies. Although, TV Guide did one of those covers that superimposed an image over another. Obi Wan (old) looked very much like an aged version of the new MacGregor Obi-Wan.
Lucas has already said that during production of the prequels, he is filming additional material for Ep4,5,and 6 to make the experience on DVD "seamless." I hope he finds some way to present the "original theatrical versions," but am dubious. There's one reason to hold on to those old VHS and laserdiscs!
I finally saw Episode 2 on Sunday afternoon at the Cinemark at Legacy in one of the digital projection theaters. I have to say that's it's certainly at least my 4th favorite Star Wars movie. It's a big step up from The Phantom Menace for sure, and it may be better than Return of the Jedi. The original and Empire still rank higher in my book, of course. The problem with a movie like this is that I'm 30 years-old now. There's no way a Star Wars movie can affect me in the same way that it did when I was 5 (my age when the original came out) or 8 (my age when Empire came out) or 11 (my age when Jedi came out). It's just not possible. Also, Star Wars was so much different than anything that had come before it when it rolled into theaters in 1977. Attack of the Clones is not anything we haven't seen before. One of the things about the original Trilogy that always resonated with me was that we were rooting for underdogs. The Empire was very powerful. Darth Vader was a very powerful villain. Luke, Leia, Han and the Rebellion were huge underdogs. So when they pushed back the Empire, destroying the Death Star or whathaveyou, it meant more because it wasn't the big beating up the small. It was David knocking down Goliath. In the new movies, the heroes are the stong ones. There's also no wild card in these new ones. And by "wild card", I mean the rogue Han Solo-type. The guy who lives on the fringe of society, who's main principle in life is self-preservation. An outlaw. Han Solo didn't get involved with Obi Wan and Luke Skywalker because he thought the cause was noble and worth fighting. He got involved because he needed money and Obi Wan and Luke were willing to pay. There's no one like that in the new movies. The heroes are Jedi Knights. They're all goody-two-shoes. Though they may bend the rules slightly here and there, they aren't Outlaws. There's no Han Solo. There's no John McClane, there's no Man With No Name, there's no Martin Riggs. No Axel Foley. They're all Dwane T. Robinsons and Roger Murtaughs and Capt. Bogomils. And I think these movies suffer from the lack of such a character. In the end, Attack of the Clones is a big step up from The Phantom Menace, but it's not even my favorite movie out of the ones I saw this weekend. As for the technical aspects, the movie looked gorgeous shot and projected digitally. There was some pixelization here and there, though I've heard from Robert Rodriguez (not personally, of course) that part of that problem was that Lucas used prototype 24p cameras and lenses and that those lenses were not 100% up to snuff due to the sheer newness of the technology. Rodriguez says he didn't have those problems on Spy Kids 2 or Once Upon a Time in Mexico. There also may have been a situation where the image was simply blown up too large in editing (up to 250x), and even a 35mm image would have some degredation after being blown up that big (though you'd get grain in 35mm instead of pixelization). I'll take their words for it. Seriously, though, if Attack of the Clones was as good as the 24p technology got, it'd be good enough for almost everything. If those minor problems have since been corrected, I don't see much reason to ever shoot anything on film again. The digital projection made the thing look wonderful, too. It was very sharp and surprisingly rich. I was pretty close to the screen (I got there 25 minutes before showtime, but the theater was already almost full when I got there, so I ended up on the 3rd row off to the left side). There were no scratches or any other things you see on a used print. I suspect that even a pristine print would not have looked as good. This was, quite honestly, the best looking movie I can ever remember seeing at a theater. The sounds was awesome, too.
Well I saw the move 12:01am Thursday morning, but never had the balls to post anything so here goes... I loved and hated the movie. Pro's - Good Story, Mace whooping ass, Yoda fighting, ANOTHER BOUNTY HUNTER, and the disc with the plans of the deathstar Con's - Dialogue, I was sleepy, the count whoopin on Anakin and Obi-wan, and the whole idea of Anakin falling in love with MY girl
I just got back from seeing it, and I need to post my thoughts. As a huge Star Wars fan, I was impressed by AOTC. Besides Nat Portman *drool*, the special effects were awesome, and the the characters were pretty cool. Although the acting sometimes seemed stiff at some times, it didn't worry me too much. I can handle bad acting in a Star Wars film. I loved the inclusion of the 'Darth Vader' music after Anakin killed all the Tusken Raiders, and when Palpatine was on the balcony overlooking the clones at the very end. BTW, old Palps is one evil dude. He proves that you don't need physical strength to be all powerfull. Count Dooku was awesome. His fight with Yoda was mind blowing, although I rekon he was about to get his butt wiped by the little green dude. The plans for the Death Star seem to draw everything together a little more. Oh, and I have a bad feeling that there was more to Qui Gon than met the eye (did anyone say 'Dark Side'....). I liked Obi-Wan's humourous side ("You'll be the death of me, Anakin.".) He seemed more like the Alec Guinness Obi-Wan. Anakin was done fairly well. As was Padme. Mace Windu is a bad ass mofo. The battle scenes were cool. I loved how C3PO and R2D2 shared there first sarcastic moments. And it's always good to see some Aussie and NZ actors in the mix (the entire Lars family, the Fett Family, the bounty hunter chick). Overall a great film, George Lucas has his work cut out for him in Ep3. Let's see if he can fill in all the gaps between now and A New Hope.
GetSmart, you wanna elaborate on the Qui-Gon thing? Interesting, but I don't see it. He was killed by a sith.
Gr8-1...I'm not saying that Qui-Gon was a sith. But, Dooku said that Qui-Gon knew about the corruption in the senate. And in the Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan said that Qui-Gon could have been on the Jedi Council, if only he had listened more to them (not sure on his exact words). Call it a bad hunch, but the way Dooku talked about Qui-Gon seemed odd, almost like if he hadn't died then he would have joined him. And once he had Qui-Gon, then Obi-Wan could have joined, and then Anakin. It's a long shot, and probably just mindless rambling. But I still say that there is something mysterious about the relationship between Qui-Gon and Dooku.
yeah i thought that about qui gon too. but at the end, when yoda said about lies and deceiving, i assume dooku was just trying to trick obi wan
I give it a two thumbs up and a pitched tent for Natalie Portman. Yoda swooping in with the clones to save the day was awesome.
Interesting theory on Qui Gon. Let me see if I have this much right: Yoda trained Dooku. Dooku trained Qui Gon Qui Gon trained Obi. Obi trained Anakin.
More info on Qui-Gon.......when Anakin is killing the Tusken Raiders, and you see Yoda meditating. You can here a voice saying "No...no....Anakin...." I swear that is Qui-Gon's voice. Listen carefully, it sounds exactly like him. I doubt it is, but it's an interesting tidbit. Oh, another part I thought was cool was when Yoda was teaching the young Jedi. Man, how awesome would it be to have Yoda teaching you!
English is not my first language so bare with me! This movie sucked! The acting was like it was ment to be for little kids with all those BAD jokes and lines. I mean it's like they choose to be fun when the situation is the most serious. In the Gladiator scene Obi tries to be funny even though he is 2 seconds from dying! 3PO is excused because he isn't capable of understanding the seriousness of the situations but not a Jedi. There is something wrong with the character Anakin. He acts like a little child who is crying about everything and every single time he is speeking to Padme it is like he is reading from some old lovepoem. Come on it is way to obvious and Padme is a politician who should be able to separate that kind of bull from real sincere dialogue. Jar Jar Binks goes from being the dummest in the universe to some kind of spokesperson in the Senate that includes more than a 1000 solar systems. Are they in need of just a few good men! Anakins mother has been captured for a whole month but dies just before she gets to say the word love to Anakin. What timing Padme is hot but dit anyone see the way she ran after she fell down on the sand in the final battle. That must have been a mistake because John Cleese would have been jealous of that walky walk. The story was way too complicated for little kids to understand but the acting and the lines was an insult to everyone over the age 5 in my opinion. Yoda is cool thumbs up to him! The animation was way cool but it was nearly too overwhelming and they could have done with lesser effects and used a lot more time on the directing and storyline. Lord of the rings is far superior in all these categories I think. Before I start depressing all of you regular posters I will stop my rant but I could have continued for hours, because I was very dissapointedin this movie. Grade: From 1 to 10 it gets 2, because of Yoda and Samuel L.
Why did they use the exact same bad guy as Lord of the Rings, that sucked. I was expecting C3PO to somehow get his gold plates in the factory where R2D2 saves Padme, that would have been kind of funny I think. Just how many times have R2D2 now saved the heroes lives, it's more than 10 if you count all the movies. Luckily his electric switch or whatever it is fits in to all electric installations in the universe. Natalie Portman is so hot I had trouble concentrating on what was going on, perhaps thats why I never got the Star Wars buzz that I usually get or perhaps it was because it sucked
Bad acting, bad jokes, and bad lines are what makes Star Wars. Check out the original trilogy, its full of them. Seriously though, if you go to a Star Wars movie expecting good acting and perfect dialogue, then your'e going to be bitterly disappointed. I think Obi-Wan was being more 'light-hearted', than funny. It showed that he never panics or fears the worse (at least he doesn't show it). Anakin was meant to act like a little kid. He's totally unstable, hence his transition to the dark side. It was all part of his character. Re: the dialogue, see above response. At the end of TPM, Jar Jar became a General. So it isn't totally incomprehensable that he became a senator, or spokesperson. But I kinda agree with you on the last sentence. All part of the Anakin's transition to the Dark Side. Yes, what timing indeed, but it ended up pushing Anakin to the limit. Agree with you on the first part, but have you ever tried running in sand?? It's quite hard to do. Especially after you've fallen from a starship... I thought the animation made the film, actually. George Lucas does the film his way. It's all about how he sees it. LOTR was an awesome film, but it was adapted from an already popular and well written book. Christopher Lee is one of the most recognizable bad guys in movie history. He's played countless villains, and frankly he does a good job of it. I don't really see your point here. That is R2D2's 'thing'. He and C3PO are basically opposites, and are there for comic relief. Maybe he has a 'skeleton key' type electric switch that fits all sockets. Oh, and welcome to the boards. I tried not to flame you or anything, but I happen to like Star Wars a lot and will do anything to defend it.
Getsmartnow thanks for not flaming me! I am also a Star Wars fan or perhaps I should say was as I tend to find just too many mistakes or obvious faults in dialogue, storyline etc. They spend so much money making these movies and SOO many people are involved but it's like they don't see the different scenes through to check if its ok. Or perhaps George Lucas is just being a dictatur which would be quite ironic considering the hype for democracy in the Star Wars movies. I am sure that even you as a true die hard fan will agree that something needs to change for these new movies to become even half as great as the original trilogy. Considering ressources it would be fair to expect them to be better. I surdenly did but that could be my mistake I don't really know Thanks for welcoming me
I saw the movie this weekend and enjoyed it...it is what it is...it is Star Wars...the cheesy lines are there, just as they were from Episode 1 and 4-6... someone posted above that they wanted to see the slaughter of the sand people by Anakin...are you kidding?????? do you realize how out of character that would be with the other movies Lucas has made??? It is after all a kids' movie, in most respects...it ALWAYS has been...don't fool yourself and pretend it isn't and you'll probably enjoy it a lot more! There is no way they're going to show a slaughter of women and children (albeit, sandpeople women and children). Come on!!!! I think people were looking for this to be Gone with the Wind...or Gandhi...or some film masterpiece....NEWSFLASH -- STAR WARS MOVIES HAVE NEVER BEEN THAT!!! Not even close!!! But they do tell a great story and are lots of fun! To ask for more is to ask for something other than the Star Wars saga.
