Ok, I thought you were referring to stuff like what Pelosi's daughter did or what John Ziegler did. Pick anybody off the street to ask a question and they often come off sounding like a moron. But then again, a lot of the people who I might consider to be not very bright probably think the same about me. It's been alluded to here, but I think if you look at the statistics it is likely that race was not much of a factor in the final outcome. My guess is that quite a few people voted who might not have done so otherwise, but that could have easily happened on both sides. And with the way that people vote, it only takes a small percentage of racist whites to counter blacks who added a vote for Obama because of race.
Exit polls and filtered statistics to "prove" a point about how racial perspective may (or may not) have affected this election seems a pretty lame thread. If this is all you've got left... I consider the issue closed. Whatever the issue you're trying to dredge up is. He's the president. Deal with it. There is an entire host of reasons why, not the least of which is that people overwhelmingly thought the last president, who was republican, sucked. Like it or not, that was the perspective, and that contributed AT LEAST enough votes to ensure Obama had this thing cinched. Don't like losing to Dems? Elect someone in the next primary (and by next I mean in 8 years) that won't suck so bad (and by suck so bad, I mean steamroll the entire world, including their own people, with policies and attitudes based on conjecture and agendas (lies) that scream entitlement and utter disregard for established freedom, values and beliefs, topped off with no sense or obigation towards any accountability whatsoever, with the term culminating in complete financial collapse regardless who's fault this was [everyone's]). Old white dude lost not because he was old white dude, but because last dude from his PARTY was recognized, rightly or wrongly, as being atrocious.
i attended a speech given by Dr. Bob Stein (poli sci professor at... Rice!) to a very conservative and Republican organization here in Houston just a few weeks ago who pretty much disagreed with everything you just wrote.
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Blacks didn't like Republicans before Katrina. Let's just say Katrina didn't help the G.O.P cause with blacks.
It can go both ways but 90% of the time it's the Liberals calling Conservatives racist. Let's be real.
Damn! Mike Myers looked like he was a tad bit uncomfortable there? You are right. There is a lot of blame to go around......Mississippi called the evacuation well over 72 hours before the Local in LA called for it. ( I was at Keesler AFB in Biloxi at the time. I was out of state 60 hours before landfall....like many in mississippi.) Mayor Negan (SP?) really did not get a lot of assistance from the LA Gov. Blanco to get the people out of New Orleans. So he was between a rock and a hard spot. He made decisions late......but decision's that she should have made..... Bush declared a state of emergency 2 days before.......but forgot to include many parishes that were in the direct line of the storm. So they were without Government assistance or direction. And dont get me started on that knob job Mike Brown........please! He indirectly led to 100's of deaths by his indecisiveness. Everyone made massive mistakes in that disaster. I remember it clearly. I spent weeks helping cleanup Biloxi and Gulfport. African American people were treated like sh*! during this........but so were lots of others. That whole area had a reason to dispose of the leaders in place.....from the bottom to the top.
How do you know him? Not trying to get at "the Conquistador", just curious. He seems like a pretty smart and level-headed guy from the times I have heard him and read his writings.
First, please be careful of saying things like "the liberals" and "the conservatives". Making a blanket observation about a group of people, and then attacking the entire group for that observation is not fair and is not accurate. Second, I'd say that most of the time when some liberals attack some conservatives for being racist, they are referring to things like, "I won't vote for him because he's black." However, the attack here is not against liberals who say, "I won't vote for him because he's white." There's a difference there. If you're talking about the first type of racism, then sure, maybe 90% of the time it is a liberal accusing a conservative, but that is probably because 90% of those kinds of racists in this country are conservative (or at least anti-Obama). Finally, I think the most important point (which you and others haven't addressed) is that I don't see where these liberals who call conservatives racist don't also acknowledge that some liberals voted primarily based on race as well. Has anybody in this thread once said, "not true, there weren't any people who voted for Obama because he was black." I didn't see it. And if that didn't happen, then that isn't really hypocrisy. (Of course, I still don't know who "they" are anyway, so I guess we have to wait to find out who they are and then see if they don't also acknowledge the reverse.) In the end, this is a non-story. The information in the link only shows that people who thought race was important voted the same way that people who didn't think race was important voted. Almost everybody will acknowledge that some people voted for Obama because he was black. Almost everybody will acknowledge that some people voted against Obama because he was black. So we all shrug and carry on with our lives until somebody brings up something that is actually interesting about the subject.
You didn't answer my earlier question. Please explain why you think that this information implies that far more people voted for Obama because he was black, than voted for McCain because he was white. To help you along, I'll ask some real questions to help me understand where you're coming from: When somebody answers yes to the question "Was race an important factor in your decision?" does that mean that race was the determining factor? Follow this scenario: If you have 100 blacks, and 90% of them would have voted for a democrat no matter what, and 50% of them would vote for a black candidate no matter what, then you have a grand total of 5 people out of the 100 that voted for Obama because he was black. Then, if you have 600 whites (there's about 6:1 white versus black in the U.S. I think), and 50% would have voted for a Republican no matter what and 3% of the whites would never vote for a black candidate, then that makes 9 people who voted against Obama because he was black. Do you agree that 5 is not "far more" than 9, or do you have a problem with my math? Thanks. (If anybody else agrees with basso and can help me out with answers I'd appreciate that as well.)
I sure am glad race wasn't an issue in the election of the first 43 white US Presidents. Can you imagine the kind of threads basso would create if that were the case? *whew*
the first fallacy in your scenario is that only black people would have voted for obama based on race. plenty of white people did as well. correct for that, and then we can have a conversation.
Post Civil Rights Voting Patterns The United States Census reported that 58 % of African Americans were voting in the presidential election of 1964. African Americans were voting Democratic 82% of the time. This number would swell to 92 % by 1968. With the exception of the 1972, 1984, and the 1992 elections Blacks would continue to give at least 80% of their collective votes to the Democratic presidential candidate says Minion K.C. Morris in African Americans and Political Participation. Read more: "African American Voting Patterns: Black Voting Demographics 2008 Democratic Primary Statistics" - http://racism-politics.suite101.com/article.cfm/african_american_voting_patterns#ixzz0BQIXmOMW
^^^^^^^^ Reason for this the Republic has done less to show any intrest in regaining African American since the late 1930's
