Taking Yao out for defensive purpose at the end of the games

Put Mutombo in, he is our best shotblocker as well as the person guys are the most weary about around the basket.

 

The discussion at hand is Chuck's ability to defend Duncan on a final defensive possession.

You said that would be "pretty bad" for us if Duncan posted up Chuck, and compared it to Yao having to defend a pick and roll. I don't agree with that. I'd much rather have a very good post defender guarding Duncan in the post on the final possession than a very poor pick and roll defender guarding against Parker/Duncan in the final possession. I consider Chuck to be a very good post defender and Yao to be a very poor pick and roll defender.

 

there's a difference with yao guarding with 20 seconds left on the clock vs. 10 seconds left.

While I whole heartedly agree that chuck for yao with a parker/duncan PnR is the best plan, there's too much time left on the clock. On the first time Yao got burned, if chuck was there, and he got the rebound, he may have been hacked immediately, and thus essentially giving the spurs a second chance at life. But chuck in, with less time, means the eventual missed free throws by chuck won't hurt as much.

 

That's a very good point. That could very well be the reason why Adelman chose to keep Chuck out. Also, Chuck isn't a great defensive rebounder because of his lack of size. That could also be a factor.

 

Let's be clear
1) Chuck on Duncan > Yao on PnR
Meaning it's better for us but it is still bad.

2) Chuck being a good post defender.
He might be a good defender but only against average post men. This league actually do not have many good post guys. Chuck can not guard Duncan on a long term basis, I guarantee you. He is only 6'5, 6'6 for crying out loud. In fact, not many defenders can guard Duncan in the low post 1v1. Yao is probable the best at that. It's similar to Eaton vs Hakeem back in those days. It seems Duncan and Hakeem can be slowed down by size.

 

I honestly have no idea what you people have been watching for the last three years.

Chuck has done extremely well against the likes of Amara, Garnett, Aldridge, Dirk etc. I wouldn't call any of those guys average. He's also done well against Lewis, Bosh, etc. So which players exactly does him on the post defense bode poorly for us.

The only time Chuck has a problem defending on the post is when the person is taller than him and faces up to shoot a jumper. That's it.

 

I think you overrate Chuck. He is a nice defender for sure but he can not guard those guys long term. If you've watched the Rockets, you know that Chuck only has to play them for mostly 10-12 minutes. On rare occasion 20.
Those guys, except for Bosh, don't have post moves either. They face up and/ or score of feeds from other more.

Duncan will destroy Chuck for sure.

 

Chuck's Defense is not overrated. Yao's defense is overrated and thats why Adelman has no choice but to pull Yao in crucial times.

 

I hate to tell you this, but overrating Chuck's defense is NOT something I do.

Do you honestly think that if his defense is overrated we would have ever signed him back?

There are a lot of things I could say about Chuck's game that are overrated, but his defense is not one of them.

Morey has stated on multiple occasions that if not for Chuck being one of the top five defenders at his position he would have no place in the NBA.

The question wasn't whether or not he could play against one of those guys for a 40 minute game. It was whether or not he is the best option in a last play situation. And he is.

Edit:

Oh and don't question "if I watched the rockets" I have seen every game in the last three years, most of them multiple times. So I am not just "talking out my rear". If anyone here recognizes Chuck's limitations it's me.

 

That's too simplistic a view.
1) How many times do I have to repeat this, Chuck is a good defender but he can not and does not play 35-38 minute a game.

2) If you want to use Aldelman's action as an argument. He did for S.A. for only 1 play and only because Yao can not guard PnR with Parker. How many other games did he pull Yao? Yao is still better at guarding big men such as Duncan and Yao is better at guarding the basket against penetration.

 

Well, I guess you agreed with me, yet you keep arguing with me ....

 

No, you were stating that it was bad to have Chuck in at the end of the game against Duncan over Yao. And it's not. That is what I am arguing with you about.

You also said I overrate Chuck's defense... and I don't do that.

 

No Chuck doesn't play 35-38 minuets a game, But when you need a defensive stop late in the game, you can count on Chuck being in the line up at that point. He can come in cold from sitting on the bench all game, and still be ready to defend the other team's best post player. Chuck just knows how to play defense. He can draw a charge, strip the ball, and he wont get pushed around in the paint and give up an offensive rebound.

As far as your argument about guarding the basket, Guess what Yao doesn't guard the Basket either. The odds of either of them getting a block would be about the same.

 

Then u misread me, go back to my earlier posts.

I said:
1) Pulling Yao in the last play in SA's game was the correct call by Aldelman.

2) Chuck on Duncan: pretty bad.
Yao on PnR: very bad.
Do you not understand the diff between "pretty bad" and "very bad" ?

What more, Chuck was not put in to guard Duncan. He was put in to guard the PnR. If Parker was not in the game, no coach on this green Earth would have pulled Yao for Chuck.

 

If you want to look at statistics, I'll bet that Yao blocks more shots. He also changes more shots plus he shadows cutters much better, things that do not appear on the stat sheet.
Chuck is better at taking charge.
Overall, if you can't recognize that Yao is a better post defender then there is no hope to convince you. Just watch more games or listen to the experts.

 

No I understand the difference... I don't agree with your assessment that Chuck on Duncan is pretty bad.

 

have you seen any games against the spurs, jazz, hornets, suns (with amare), or any other team with a great PG? they DO run PnR all game against yao, and it usually works.

you misread my post, i didn't say i'd put hayes on duncan 100% of the time, just that i'd take my chances to get ONE stop with hayes guarding duncan RATHER than yao having to switch onto parker.

it's not about completely stopping parker. it's about not giving up wide open layups. chuck is quicker than yao and can cut off the driving lane where as yao leaves the driving lane open. cutting off that lane probably means parker pulls up for an open mid range jumper. if he's taking that, and duncan is shooting 18 footers all game. the rockets defense wins.

 

You are not saying Chuck on Duncan is good for us?!

 

That is absolutely what I am saying. Especially in a one possession situation.

 

of course Yao has more block shots. He should, he plays more minutes.
You will never ever convince me that Yao is a better post defender than Chuck. We will just have to agree to disagree on that one.