In reading Clutch's thread, it looks like a good possibility that the Rockets would trade their pick if they got the #2 slot. The name that keeps coming up is Lamar Odom. I don't think that would be a good thing, so I thought about this...it's a far-fetched idea, but it is one that I feel will not only help us but is not that lopsided of a trade: Rockets keep the #2 pick and draft Jay Williams out of Duke Then the Rockets trade Francis, #15 pick, and Mo Taylor to the Nuggets for McDyess and their lottery pick. Denver needs a PG bad & they would probably at least hear us out on this deal. Now, I know some of you might say, don't trade Francis...just trade the #2 pick for McDyess and their lottery pick. I don't think that Denver would do that...I would say that it would take more to get McDyess than the #2 pick. Replacing the #2 pick with Francis might make the Nuggets more likely to trade McDyess. Use the pick from Denver to draft Caron Butler. Then the Rockets line-up would be this: PG Williams, Moochie, Tierre SG Mobley, Torres SF Griffin, Butler, Rice PF McDyess, Thomas C Cato, TMo, Griffin Now, I know that Francis is going to represent us tomorrow at the lottery , but I still think that this is a deal that would make us a better team. Okay - remember one thing before you go medieval on my ass - the chances of this happening is very slim. However, I thought that this would be an intriguing twist....instead of trading the pick for pothead Odom, trade Francis, keep the pick and get McDyess as well. Oh well, I can dream, can't I?
I don't really like it. Not that I'm dead-set against trading Francis but, I just don't like that team. I'll try to come up with a deal so you can tell me you don't like mine, mmkay?
Manny, you would behead the Francis posse and, second, McDyess still looks to be damaged goods. We could do a lot better with a trade of that order. I once made a sarcastic proposal of trading Steve and Cat for Golden State's #2 (Williams) and Jason Richardson. However, if we already had Williams, we could trade our dynamic duo for Richardson and the Warrior pick to gain Woods, Dunleavy or Wilcox. With Griffin and adding Marcus (K.T. and #15 for a #10 - #12?) and we might have a pretty solid five. However, I would do that only if the doctors secretly tell CD Steve's migraines are not going away. Another scenario would be to trade Williams for the Chicago pick, Fizer and #30/#31. We could then send Fizer and Collier to N.Y. for their #7 / #8 to pick up Woods/Dunleavy/Butler and Wilcox/Stoudemire/Gooden/Marcus. Then #15 could be used for Jeri Welsch or Dan Dickau for a backup point.
Not bad thumbs although I would rather have Caron than Dunleavy. I knew that trading Francis would not be popular, but I'm wondering how much longer we are going to have to wait before we see Steve become a better leader than what he showed this season. Signing him to the max when he may never be the leader we need him to be plus the migraines does scare me a lot. CK: I'm ready whenever you are to look at your trade proposal. I know it would be better than mine because I think you spend more time here in this forum than I do....lol.
Manny, I hit the enter button by accident. You posted while I was editing and adding the Chicago scenario.
Well, in my opinion, I'm not ready to give up on Steve and ship him to NBA hell (Denver) after one bad injury-wrecked season. With a good player from the draft that will actually score from Steve's passing to credit him with assists, and Glen and Mo back from injuries, I really believe the Rockets can string together wins next year. I have the 37 point thumping of the Mavs on tape, and whenever I watch it I am amazed by the ease and fluidity of the offense in that game...beautiful. Everyone was healthy, everyone playing great. Add Mo and that's another option. Steve would never be traded anyway. He's The Franchise, and I believe he will lead this team to the playoffs next year. Plus, there are risks in that trade. Will Jay Williams live up to the unbelievable hype around him? Will Antonio McDyess stay healthy? Steve is already an All-Star in this League, and you never know about rookies. Or guys that have had injuries that kept them out most/all the season (like Dice and Mo).
Stevie has all the talent in the world but its hard to utilize some of it when you don't have the team around you that would benefit. Maybe Im overestimating Francis but I do feel he can be as good as say B-Davis. But Baron has better players around him which makes him look better. Sometimes you have to wait for these kinds of things to happen before you see their full potential. Given this I think most will understand why I feel Steve Francis should be a Rocket for life.
McDyess is damaged goods, the Rox would be losing out big time (unless you know something about Francis' migraines that I don't). This is a very strange trade proposal on Clutchcity, I fully expected a Norris/KT/maybe 2nd rounder for KG trade. Bravo.
Yea, I know that some of the trade ideas posted here are a little lopsided, and I agree with you, napster, on McDyess being damaged goods. However, I believe that he can bounce back and if Jay Williams is the real deal then I think this is a deal that can help the Rockets. But there's a big IF in McDyess being healthy.
Because Memphis has a PG they are said to be "dedicated" to, and Gasol is their future. They aren't going to trade away their turning stone to add a PG, which would cause chemistry problems b/c JWill will throw a fit.
I wouldn't do this trade, because it wouldn't improve us. McDyess is coming off a major injury. Our starting line-up would have kinks all over Jay Williams >> Rookie Mobley >>>> Could he co-exist with a non-friend, shoot first guy? Griffin >> Can't guard the perimeter, is a 4,we want him inside McDYess >>> Can't go full steam coz of injury, not yet at least Cato/Tmo/Griffin? >> TMo will almost defiitely not play here, Griff maybe, but still, Cato/Griff is nto enough. Williams/Mooch/Tierre Mobley/Torres Griffin/Butler/Rice McDyess/Thomas Cato/T-Mo/Griffin vs Francis/Mooch/Tierre Mobley/Torres Rice/T-Mo/Griffin MoT/Griffin/KT Cato/Griffin/MoT We have a much better bench, a MUCH better PG, better C rotation. SG, same. At SF, they have an advantage, but this is before we pick 2 players in the draft. I'd rather get Odom, for whatever price. Right now, you really don't know if McDyess will bounce back (Penny, Grant Hill). He had pain when he came back after being overly cautious, what's to say it wno't act up? I'd ratehr stick with out own guns, same amount of talent, while having some chemistry left over.
Thanks, Sir Jackie... LongTime Fan: NugzFan got banned a couple of weeks back. As far as I know, Nuggets4 still posts around here. Okay, maybe McDyess is damaged goods, but his name is one that is brought up around here all the time. It doesn't have to be McDyess...it just has to be an all-star caliber PF or SF or C off a team that has a lottery pick. Let me ask this question - replace McDyess with Elton Brand and do you think that this deal becomes any better (we would still draft Jay Williams and receive the Clippers lottery pick)? Also, begrudgingly, I will replace Mo with Kenny Thomas. So, the new deal would be: Clippers trade Elton Brand and their lottery pick to us for Francis, Kenny Thomas, and our #15 pick. Oh and Sane - I know that many like Odom a lot around here, but I think it would be a mistake to get him. There is just something about him that would make me back away from him.
New rule: Anytime a trade is proposed, the poster must take into account whether this trade will get us closer to the playoffs or better yet, get us in the playoffs. If the answer is yes then Ok, if not then we are simply making changes for the sake of well, making changes. These trades would disrupt the organization not get us better. The big 3 will not go anywhere unless we receive a FRANCHISE type player in return.(i.e. Duncan, Garnet....)
You wouldn't think that McDyess (if healthy) or Brand is a franchise player? You got some pretty high standards, bigboy.
I don't think the clipps or Denver would do either of those deals, now that I think about it more. I've thought of some deals, but nothing that big in scope. Might as well just wait til I know what the lotto order is. Oh, and I'd have to agree with Manny. If you think Mcdyess and Brand aren't franchise players then you might as well cross Francis off that list as well.
