[CHRONIC] T-Mac, Artest keep it interesting for Rockets

They both have done nothing. NOTHING!

 

Yao is not carrying this team right now. Hes doing great but we are playing really good "team" basketball. If we have a chance of getting out of the first round this year, it has to be against Portland or Denver because we match up great against them. I believe Yao is averaging around 30 against Denver. Yao straight up dominates Denver!

 

That's an extremely accurate post.

So couldn't the same be said When T-Mac led his team to the 22 game win streak? Yao is the leader, and right now in both of their careers Yao is clearly better than T-Mac at it.

 

i said IN THE PAST 4 YEARS. it'd be better for discussion if you read. yao was injured for most of those 2 years.

and go ask yourself who has accomplished most?
in the tmac-yao era:

tmac has made all-nba 3x (2 in all-nba 2nd; 1 all-nba 3rd); he finished top 8 in MVP voting 3 of those 4 years

yao has made all-nba 3x (only 1 all-nba 2nd); and he never finished in the MVP voting.

but yes, i hope yao leads us to the 2nd round this year. real rocket fans just want some playoff success.

 

what does it matter if he just disappears in important games? nobody cares about no.2 of any series in any sport. there is a winner and a loser. and in any nba playoff series no. 2 is the same as last place.

 

Another moral victory you want to put up? I am finding it extremely funny how you thing putting up individual achievement awards the same as winning.

You fit in a criteria Allen Iverson fans, because they care more about stats and individual awards than they do about winning. And neither of them accomplish more than the other. Both of them have lead their team to the same amount of playoff success.

There is no winner in this debate.

 

Tracy's just trying to play for his next contract. Let him do that on another team.

 

can you read my posts first before answering? i said the reason the team has put up with him b/c he has done things for this team, with yao being injured for 2 of those years. i think that's why les has been so loyal to the guy (and that's not good now b/c we NEED TO TRADE HIM--READ THAT, I WANNA TRADE THE GUY!)

actually, iverson has accomplished MUCH MORE than tracy mcgrady ever has, individually and team-wise.

 

Keep talking about his individual achievement awards. They are no better than Yao Ming's, Shane Battier, or Luis Scola.

You can keep talk about who has more moral accomplishments but I care about team success.

 

and yet you make threads about yao making all-nba teams, about how he's "the guy," ever kind of stat regarding yao... you make me laugh right now.

 

Really? What did I make about Yao Ming making any team? I remember asking if he should make the all-defensive team, because I felt like he deserved it.

Changing the subject much? They say it's similar to waving the white flag.

 

yes that's not an individual accomplishment isn't it?

 

Is that the same as saying he's accomplished more than anybody on this team for 4 years? No, it's not. All I'm saying is he deserves an individual achievement award. I'd certainly rather have him winning a ring than that award though.

Seriously, you're posts about T-Mac are hysterical.

 

Is he?

He couldn't even get Artest or AB to give him the ball when he needed it in the last couple of games............

 

Yao is not the leader, never was, never will be. He doesn't even get the most shot attempts in the game even though he's been on this team for 7 years. Artest the new guy gets more attempts and he also gets the ball more in the clutch.

 

are u serious?
hopefully not.

 

what does getting shot attempts have to do with being a leader? artest doesnt demand the double team that yao does. artest doesnt change the flow of the opposing teams offense simply by being on the court. teams do not plan for artest as much as they do for yao.

yeah, maybe yao isnt the vocal leader but he works his a$$ off on and off the court. artest and yao together are the leaders of this team. they both lead by example and artest is vocal enough for both of them.

stop turning this into who is what and why. we need to focus on the now and winning the next game. after the playoffs are done then we need to focus on whether or not to move tmac and who we can go after for his slot if we do move him.

 

I thought coaches love RAfer for being able to execute whatever play is called.

 

Thank you, bout time we found somebody in this thread with an insightful post.

Yao doesn't have to lead with his word, he can lead by example. From what I saw that's exactly what The Dream did, Duncan did the same thing. Duncan is/was a quiet guy in the Spurs locker room but he led by example with his daily 20/10's.

 

I contest that severely, he can't demand the ball from his own players in the last couple of games and he hasn't done it all his career. What makes you think he is a leader. That Artest clip with Yao Ming is a prime example of why he isn't a leader. You can say that about Tracy Mcgrady at the end of the playoffs when he didn't drive the ball and try and score in each of the game 7's which is valid, then you can also say that for Yao Ming who has never asserted his will to demand the ball or at least never showed the type of Shaq Displeasure of not receiving the ball.

Until he exhibits this he wont be considered a leader in my eyes. He can't even demand the ball from AB when they are down 1 with 20 seconds to go.