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The AB vs. Lowry Argument

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by roflmcwaffles, Mar 7, 2009.

  1. jkckwong

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    Edit: 500, not 5000 (208 shots per hours, 3.5 shots per minute, 1 shot per 15 seconds, non-stop for 24 hours - No way). Sorry.
     
  2. roslolian

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    Wow very, very good post. I definitely agree with the OP. Of course, this won't be set in stone next season, it'll depend on how much Lowry and AB0 develops next year (personally I believe Ab has more upside but Lowry has a better chance of becoming a better player next season since he shooting is his only flaw).

    Right now though I'd say Lowry is the more consistent player, the only problem is he can't shoot. It's ok right now, but if say AB gets injured and Lowry has to start for extended games, team will utilize the Rafer plan on us again and keep making him take 3 pt shots and long jumpers.
     
  3. meh

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    This argument really should wait til next season. It's pointless to bring it up now since there's zero chance of them switching places. Lowry simply hasn't had enough practice with the core to really be a starter.

    That said, I think long term Lowry should start. He's just a much better defender.
     
  4. opticon

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    this may be stretching it a just a bit but i think Lowry = Scola Brooks = Landry.

    Lowry just like Scola is very consistent and gives you very similar stats night in and night out.

    Brooks is a lot like Landry in the way they both show alot of flashes of being great but are not consistent with there offense and defense night in and night out.

    I think that both Brooks and Landry will eventually be starters but both need more time to mature.

    Like alot of people have said I think Lowry will start next year. I think Brooks is very much in Ben Gordon mold he is clearly good enough to be a starter but at times is very good off the bench.
     
  5. notcool

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    Agreed. AB is valuable for the bench scoring
     
  6. leonking

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    OMG,AB shot 30% and 35% 3pts these two years, almost the worst in our team. You call this FANTASTIC???
     
  7. Vrazz

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    There really shouldn't be an argument on who is better between the two. They both bring so much to the table. And think about it, both of these guys are extremely young. They both have faults, but the leadership they're both playing with right now is immeasurable.

    I'm just glad quite frankly that I don't have to see Rafer's tear drops from 10ft out.
     
  8. jedicro

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    I too miss the comedic relief that came with the human turnover machine.

    He was amazingly effiecient at his job.
     
  9. rayrocket

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    More minus from AB

    Can not defense P&R
    Get blocked half a dozen times a game
    Bad passes
     
  10. wireonfire

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    IMHO, Kyle Lowry is head and shoulder above Aaron Brooks in terms of traditional point guard skills. He has better court vision, better passing skills, better defense, better assist/turnover ratio, also very speedy, and most important of all, he is not trigger-happy, and he can organize better offense. Of course, people could criticize him about not being a good shooter, and had yet to prove he is a good 3-pointer sniper.

    Aaron Brooks on the other hand is such trigger-happy, and the biggest problem he did not seem to be able to organize offense. All he did frequently was hold on to the ball, pushed it up court, then relying on his speed, tried to speed past his defenders for lay-ups......There were many times that you saw him dribbling and running around Yao and other team mates (who provided shields/pick-n-roll for him) in circles, and then bang....shoot his jumpers without any intention to pass or organize better offense.

    He was lucky that his shots fell tonight.

    If he had focused more on playing the traditional point guard role, played better defense on Nash, know how to control the tempo/rhythm of the game, did not try to play run-and-gun with the Sun, the Rockets would have put away the Phoenix Sun in early part of 4Q...... and the game would not have to be decided on a last shot.

    Viewed from any angle, 30 points from 20 shot attempts, 3 assists and 4 turnovers is not good indicator of a competent point guard.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    Lowry has more relevant PG skills for this team.

    AB can be a great scoring option off the bench. (does anyone think that AB and Yao don't fit together well on the court?)
     
  12. Yetti

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    THe Brooks Lowry question is completely out of our hands, even so here is my opinion.
    Brooks is a SCORING Guard, small but very fast, lithe and thin but not afraid to take a shot, infact he akso has one of Rafers fatal problems he shoots too many low percentage shots. He looks to score first and set up a play as the second or third option.

    Lowery is still learning how to play with his new team. A short but strongly built Playmaking POINT GUARD. So far he has shown to make great passes, he is very rugged and makes very strong moves to the basket, drawing fouls.

    This combo suggest that they possibly could play in tandem.

    Even so I think that once Lowry becomes established, possibly by the playoffs, he would become the starting Point Guard. :p
     
  13. Easy

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    I agree that we need 3pt shooting PG with Yao. And Brooks is way better in that department.

    But I think Lowry is better than Brooks in all other facets of the game.

    Lowry is more consistent.
    Lowry is a better passer, with better court vision.
    Lowry is a better decision maker.
    Their finishing around the rim is about the same but Lowry is better in getting fouled.
    Lowry is a better defender.
    Brooks is a better shooter, especially long range.
    Brooks is a little faster.

    If Lowry ever develops a consistent 3pt shot, he'll be a much better PG for us than Brooks. I love Brooks. I hope even if he loses the starting job in the future (I don't know how likely), he'll still be a solid backup for us for many years to come.
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    I'm willing to accept that flaw in his game since we usually have a guy like Battier, Barry or Artest on the floor who can stroke the three with some decent consistency.
     
  15. Dave_78

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    Lowry will start next season unless a deal is made over the summer. He is the better PG no question. Brooks has shown that at the NBA level he is little more than a streaky shooter. He's a smaller Von Wafer who obviously does not finish as well as Von does.

    Brooks may or may not become a good bench player or even 6th man but I don't see anything in him that suggests he will make the transition into being a quality or even average starting PG.
     
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    The ability to knock down the 3 is very important for a PG, especially for a team with Yao. When people know you can't shoot, they'll stay off of you and that cut your chances to penetrate, and diminishes the angle for entry passing. Rafer's inability to shoot was our Achilles' heel in the past several years.
     
  17. ebu

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    Lowry won't start over brooks....
    the minutes might get cut evenly but i don't think he still start anytime soon

    Brooks has proved since he has started that he can score and is clutch...

    He did it against Dallas, and he did it again last night...Brooks is not afraid
    to take the last shot and thats where he is proving how valuble he is..
     
  18. Gakatron

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    I'm just happy that we're here debating this. We actually have two starter worthy PG's for once. I think like many Lowry will end up being the starter just because he is that more traditional kinda guy with solid D. I loved AB as the spark off the bench and think hes best suited there with that second unit. I think it will be a game by game decision on who gets the more minutes in the future but have liked seeing Rick play them together at times. As long as hes not going to be killed at the other end I think AB can be a good shooting guard.
     
  19. shortfuse3

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    it's obvious Brooks should start since he can space the floor with Yao out there, but Lowry does a good job of making up for his lack of shooting by cutting to the basket or doing something else. All his movements and passes are productive and not wasted. Brooks sometimes looks lost on the court, but if he's scoring like he did last night how can you not want him to start?
     
  20. redao

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    Brooks is my PG. He is still a surprise to me.....the opponents will hate him from time to time. Steve Nash might be still confused after he saw Brooks's 30 points and efficient shooting.

    Brooks > Lowry at least for this worst jump shooting team.
     

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