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The re-birth of the Right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, Mar 1, 2009.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Some elderly prefer to live on their own, and want their independence. But your anger at people for not taking care of the elderly in their families is better directed than calling everyone on welfare an unproductive bum.
     
  2. Refman

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    Well that's noble and all, but it is far from a solution. The number of elderly who were unable to have children will be on the increase. Then there is the story of a couple I know who had a child, but the child was killed in a car accident at age 22. So they will have no children to help them. What about those people? Should they be without under your mental construct of how the world should work?
     
  3. fredred

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    That's brilliant! So if we just get the 12-year-old with staff infection and his laid-off father to stop paying income tax (which in this example is at a stifling 0%) he'll have more money to spend on health care!
    You do realize that to qualify for Medicaid you're almost definitely the income tax cut-off?
     
  4. fredred

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    Medicare eligibility is rather similar to SS. 65 or older and a U.S. citizen or 5 years as a legal resident. Medicare isn't as necessary as Medicaid in terms of vital services offered to people who have no other way of getting them (obviously there are plenty of cases where that's not true), but most politicians won't touch it with a 10 foot pool because old people vote.
     
  5. fredred

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    Missing the word "below" there...whoops.
     
  6. zantabak1111

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    Have you heard about the Chinese families in Ohio whose kids died at the hands of the reckless driver? In China you are only allowed 1 child, and these families depend on the child on to become successful to take care of them as they age. These 3 families were fully invested and their kids passed away, you know what happened? The community pulled together and is helping them in any way they can. Your community will take care of you if you treat people well. My next door neighbor is 80 or 81 and has no kids, my wife always finds two minutes of her time to take dinner to her every night and help her write her bills every month. It's not that hard to help your neighbor out, the key is you doing something, not depending on the government because they waste our money and in the end do absolutely nothing to help. I have no problem helping the old, my problem is with helping those fully capable of working.
     
  7. Refman

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    If you think that people in the community rallying to take care of the elderly among them is something that will happen widespread in our society rather than being a remarkable exception...then you are not a conservative, you are a delusional.
     
  8. zantabak1111

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    Because our society is full of uncaring people. In my native homeland, the elderly stay at home until they die and are taken care of with the utmost care. In America we forget our old, it is so sad, they were the titans that made this country we live in. American people are all me,me,me. I am a republican who is all about me keeping what I've earned, but without a doubt taking care of those who raised me will be my number 1 priority when the time comes to it. Let me ask you, how long did your parents take care of you for? 18-22 years I assume, is it too much for you to do the same for them at the end? Taking care of lazy,young people who could work is not a priory, that's our government giving in to the bums. Taking care of those who need help is our duty, I think Republicans and Dems would agree on that.
     
  9. LongTimeFan

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    17, with a wife and living in your parents basement. Is the old lady next door your grandma by chance?

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  10. DonnyMost

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    Rebirth of the Right

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  11. Refman

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    After reading all of the abject crap that you have spewed out over this forum, I would decline to agree with you even if you said that the sum rises in the East.
     
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    Forgive me, many people are broke who make a livable salary. But if you want to help the poor to be better off we could still stop with regressive taxes and so on. Bankrupting the country to pay for social programs is no solution. Welfare dependence and fraud doesn't do much good either. Better yet, you could personally volunteer to pay the bill.
     
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    I wouldn't blame it on welfare. It's Wall Street's greed and exhuberance that is bankrupting the country. It has been a ticking time bomb for years, when it exploded it took out the whole country.
     
  14. Major

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    So if you eliminate the income and (state?) property taxes, how do you fund government?
     
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    Who said we need government. :D
     
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    Exactly, we don't need the government to be so big, but we do need them for some things. The IRS could be rendered obsolete by implementing a flat tax of 28% or 30% but that would be just too damn easy. Along with it would go 100K plus jobs that we truly do not need. Then the government wouldn't need to waste money on lawyers to go after those who don't pay taxes. That would save money. Then think of all the people who wouldn't be in jail for tax fraud....those guys all cost money too. Wow could it really be that easy?
     
  17. Major

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    Factually incorrect.

    Right. Because if you the IRS so there's no enforcement of the tax code, criminals will decide "oh, I won't commit fraud now - I'll just pay my taxes instead!" F***ing brilliant.
     
  18. Deckard

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    If the "rebirth of the Right" involved folks like you and Refman, I could look forward to a GOP more like that during the days of Everett Dirksen, who helped pass the Voting Rights Act and the Open Housing Act in the mid-'60's. In other words, a sane Republican Party. I keep a small bit of hope alive that we might see that rebirth in our lifetimes. :)
     
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    If there was a flat tax instead of sales tax why would we need someone to overlook all aspects and deductions. You buy a shirt its $100 you pay $130, nobody could cheat the system. How about better yet, instead of letting corporations write off $50M jets, we tax them for that. I'm a republican to the core but if you're playing with $50M toys, a deduction is just not right.
     
  20. Refman

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    Except that somebody has to make sure those collecting the tax actually remit the tax. I worked in that division of the Texas government for a short time after getting my BBA in accounting but before going to law school.

    You would be surprised the number of businesses that intentionally under reported the sales and how much tax was due. That requires an entire audit division. You really don't get that concept?
     

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