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Greatest political leader of all time, or untouchable attractive musician?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DrewP, May 3, 2002.

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Greatest political leader of all time, or untouchable attractive musician?

  1. Political Leader

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    35.5%
  2. Star Musician

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  1. DrewP

    DrewP Member

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    Which would you choose? Become the greatest political leader of alltime (pros: obvious cons: hey, might get assassinated etc) or become a great musician (pros: obvious cons: .........) I was just day dreaming in school today and wondered what the majority of yall would say........
     
  2. SirCharlesFan

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    I'd be a rock star. I'd want to be the frontman of a band....
     
  3. FlyerFanatic

    FlyerFanatic YOU BOYS LIKE MEXICO!?! YEEEHAAWW
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    I voted to be a rockstar, i would like to be the drummer for a band, because i have always wanted to learn how to play the drums
     
  4. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Definitely a musician. I would love to be like Billy Corgan or Kurt Cobain in being the lead singer and main guitar player.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Rock star, because they get more chicks.
     
  6. Mango

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    Are you sure about that?



    Mango
     
  7. outlaw

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    Politicians get chicks, just not attractive ones
     
  8. Mango

    Mango Member

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    Read that and thought about her........

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    Mango
     
  9. The Voice of Reason

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    BOTH, I would be BOB MARLEY ;)

    hehe. but musician would be more fun and more demanding. politicians dont have demanding public.


    ultimately Politicians are NEVER forgotten. Britney spears will be gone within my lifetime

    can you name more Ceasars or Motzarts??

    more Washingtons or Elvis'


    Lenin's or lennon's??


    I choose to be the next coming of John F Kennedy
     
  10. Mrs. JB

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    I'd actually like to be a great spiritual leader. I think that would have a more profound impact than either a musician or politician.
     
  11. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Oh...lol...no, Mango, although I get depressed, I would not want to kill myself if that is what you are implying.:)
     
  12. The Voice of Reason

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    MS. JB
    many musicians have a great deal of spiritual influence much like most religous leaders gain great political influence.

    you could easily sway elections in America at least as a spiritual leader.

    can a woman be the dali lama (sp?)


    hehe I just used a (SP?) thingie. I should start and end all of my posts with those :) lol
     
  13. Mrs. JB

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    Theoretically a woman could be the Dalai Lama. However, since the Dalai Lama is currently alive, it couldn't be me. Buddhists believe that the Dalai Lama is constantly reincarnated on earth to serve as a spiritual leader to Buddhists. Our current Dalai Lama was born in 1935 and was declared to be the 14th incarnation when he was 13 years old.

    I don't think I'd be a Buddhist leader anyway. While I feel a strong affinity for it, I hold other beliefs as well.
     
  14. Hydra

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    I voted for political leader, but only if I could be a dictator. Politicians in democracy don't have enough power to enact change, mostly just to block it. I would rather be a political leader because I think I would be able to really help people.
     
  15. DrewP

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    But what about greatest political leader of all time? You accomplish more than anyone else in history, you are a legend. You can rise above the whole "democracy" thing! ;)
     
  16. right1

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    Bill Clinton plays a pretty mean saxophone.
     
  17. Sonny

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    "We observe today not a victory of party but a celebration of freedom--symbolizing an end as well as a beginning--signifying renewal as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.

    The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.

    We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

    Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

    This much we pledge--and more.

    To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided there is little we can do--for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.

    To those new states whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom--and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.

    To those people in the huts and villages of half the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required--not because the communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

    To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge--to convert our good words into good deeds--in a new alliance for progress--to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbors know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house.

    To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support--to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective--to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak--and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run.

    Finally, to those nations who would make themselves our adversary, we offer not a pledge but a request: that both sides begin anew the quest for peace, before the dark powers of destruction unleashed by science engulf all humanity in planned or accidental self-destruction.

    We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.

    But neither can two great and powerful groups of nations take comfort from our present course--both sides overburdened by the cost of modern weapons, both rightly alarmed by the steady spread of the deadly atom, yet both racing to alter that uncertain balance of terror that stays the hand of mankind's final war.

    So let us begin anew--remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.

    Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring those problems which divide us.

    Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms--and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations.

    Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths and encourage the arts and commerce.

    Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah--to "undo the heavy burdens . . . (and) let the oppressed go free."

    And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.

    All this will not be finished in the first one hundred days. Nor will it be finished in the first one thousand days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.

    In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.

    Now the trumpet summons us again--not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need--not as a call to battle, though embattled we are-- but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"--a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease and war itself.

    Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?

    In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility--I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it--and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.

    And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country.

    My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

    Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own." - JFK January 20th, 1961

    Inaugural Address - President John F. Kennedy


    http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j012061.htm

    Guess which one I voted for...
     
  18. DrewP

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    This speech was delivered to the people of West Berlin, yet it was also audible on the East side of the Berlin wall.
    2,703 words

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    We come to Berlin, we American presidents, because it's our duty to speak, in this place, of freedom. But I must confess, we're drawn here by other things as well: by the feeling of history in this city, more than 500 years older than our own nation; by the beauty of the Grunewald and the Tiergarten; most of all, by your courage and determination. Perhaps the composer Paul Lincke understood something about American presidents. You see, like so many presidents before me, I come here today because wherever I go, whatever I do: Ich hab noch einen Koffer in Berlin. [I still have a suitcase in Berlin.]

    Our gathering today is being broadcast throughout Western Europe and North America. I understand that it is being seen and heard as well in the East. To those listening throughout Eastern Europe, a special word: Although I cannot be with you, I address my remarks to you just as surely as to those standing here before me. For I join you, as I join your fellow countrymen in the West, in this firm, this unalterable belief: Es gibt nur ein Berlin. [There is only one Berlin.]

    Behind me stands a wall that encircles the free sectors of this city, part of a vast system of barriers that divides the entire continent of Europe. From the Baltic, south, those barriers cut across Germany in a gash of barbed wire, concrete, dog runs, and guard towers. Farther south, there may be no visible, no obvious wall. But there remain armed guards and checkpoints all the same--still a restriction on the right to travel, still an instrument to impose upon ordinary men and women the will of a totalitarian state. Yet it is here in Berlin where the wall emerges most clearly; here, cutting across your city, where the news photo and the television screen have imprinted this brutal division of a continent upon the mind of the world. Standing before the Brandenburg Gate, every man is a German, separated from his fellow men. Every man is a Berliner, forced to look upon a scar.

    ........

    General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!

    ......

    Thank you and God bless you all.

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    Wow, how cool would it be to say those words?! I cant see how you wouldn't want to be the most powerful political leader of all-time.
     
  19. Grizzled

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    Lol! Politicians and rock stars get some chicks.

    You guys never cease to amaze me! How on earth do you know about the wife of a Canadian Prime Minister from 20 year ago! I guess she was pretty notorious, but I'm honestly surprised that you remember her. She spends a quite a bit of time in psychiatric hospitals now, btw. I guess that's not that surprising.
     

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