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Rashars Lewis or Lamar Odom?????

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sracer1000, May 2, 2002.

  1. jello77

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    if odom gets caught doin drugs one more time hes suspended for the year. do we really want that? i dont.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    I'd be happy with either one.
     
  3. TIburon

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    Well if the question is who is the better all-round player it would be Lamar Odom...

    Sorry guys we have our to go-to-guys in Stevie Franchise and Cuttino Mobley(whether you like it or not thats the 2)...

    We don't need another superstar on the team but solid players and Rashard Lewis is growing to be a great player... Don't forget he's what, only 20-21 now... But he has 3 years in the NBA compared to others...

    Odom can do a lot of things that Rashard can't do like bring the ball down court(SF point guard), create for others and pass very very well....

    All of what he can do so can Stevie Franchise, so why add him... Odom lead that team as the PG but now they have a solid PG...

    My opinion is that we have our 2 solid players in Franchise and Mobley(hey Mobley has his moments) and we have a good foundation of players around him but unless we can get that Big Man from China... I would trade our top pick and Rice(possibly Thomas) for Lewis because he's a tall SF with good defensive ability, can shoot the 3 and the most obvious reason is that he has playoff experience the last 2 seasons....

    Who else has that on the Houston Rockets??? Walt Williams(who won't be here much longer) and Cato who sat on the Bench with Portland.... Thats it... Lamar Odom doesn't even have playoff experience... Yeah I know that doesn't mean much because Odom is a solid player but I just don't think adding him would be the right decision...
    Rashard Lewis wants to come home and if we can make it happen for possibly less than the 1st rd pick(top 5, hopefully) then I think we should definitely do it)...

    If we could get him for our 1st rd #15 pick, Rice and Thomas I'd be thrilled and honestly that seems like a better deal for them...

    Seattle is in the situation where they need to decide whether their going to go for it all while Payton is still on top of his game or whether its time to rebuild and trade Payton... If they added Rice, Thomas and a good young player(#15) they would add playoff experience, a good physical player and a draft pick at the top of the draft...

    Once again I would chose Lewis because he could come in and help this team quickly where Odom... I have questions about his attitude and he's a superstar(we don't need another superstar we need solid role players)... I just don't want to end up like the Mavs all offense and no defense...
     
  4. Sane

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    Rashard Lewis is by NO stretch HALF the defensive player Odom is. Granted, Odom is average. Lewis is NOT. Odom can improve leaps and bounds in that area, while Lewis can become just above average.

    What needs to be mentioned is, Lewis will demand the Max, around 11M. Odom will not.

    Also, who do you think will bump egos with out players? Mr. "I'm Kobe" Lewis, or Lamar Odom?

    Odom's injury is not serious at all. In fact, he's even take precaution time to heal it. Lewis has a dislocated shoulder that doctors say MAY affect his career.

    Tell it like it is.

    Lewis can't post up.
    Can't play D.
    Can't handle the ball without turning it over.
    Has an incredibly huge ego.

    He's already trying to manipulate Sonics management, saying he's only staying if Payton stays, bla bla bla.

    He's not even that good. He's nowhere near what Kobe was at 21.

    Odom gives us everything we need. he doesn't have to take over PG duties, just share them at certain times. Move the ball around, getting "hockey assists". We don't need him to score 20 points a night. 15, 5, 5 with solid affort will guarantee us playoffs, and the brightest future in the NBA.

    Odom
    Griffin
    Francis
    Mobley

    I know most of y'all don't like Cato, but he works hard enough to merit starter minutes at the 5. All he has to do is try hard.
     
  5. saleem

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    Odom is the better all round player and is also unselfish because he likes to pass the ball.However he is inconsistant for some one with so much talent.
    Lewis is a better shooter and has the experience of playing with Payton which has helped with his maturity level.But he has not developed his ball handing and driving much and is his defense is poor unlike Odom's.
    I would prefer Odom but I really think that we should pick up a less expensive player like Butler who is NBA ready or Woods if he proves to be as skillful as he is hyped to be.
     
  6. AznBallerz55

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    LeWis Or ODom iS a hard choice.
     
  8. Manny Ramirez

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    Yes, it is but I think the harder choice might be Butler over Woods (I would prefer Butler).
     
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    I worry about Lewis more on the court than with Odom. Can Lewis handle being the third option in scoring. If he looks to improve his stats next year and if he plans on scoring more, than houston is not the team for him. Like mentioned earlier Mobley and Francis are and will be for at least the next couple of seasons the main 1-2 scoring punch and that's not going to change just becuase a new player is added. They will be the leaders of the team in that department. And with Rice and Taylor coming back and with griffin playing better than that's even less shots for him. And if he's going to expect Francis and Mobley to set plays for him he might have to be real patient in expecting that. I just hope he doesn't turn in to Pippen expecting to be the main focus and star of the team Because he won't. I only say this becuase I have heard this a few times about how he expects to be a superstar and wants to be like kobe and how he doesn't want to go to a team that won't except him as the main star. IMHO really don't see him much more than a good shooter.

    As for Odom, just for say, even if he does do weed again than it's another 5 game suspension, I don't think it's a year. I also just want to clear some other things. Odom is younger than Lewis and about the same size at 6-10, 221 except Odom is listed 6lbs more heavier. As for defense I would say Odom is better than Lewis since he blocks more and steals more than Lewis with career averages of 1 steal and 1.5 blocks a game while Lewis averages 1 steal and 0.5 blocks a game. And in my opinion he is more of a team player.

    Between the two I don't know if Lewis can be happy avg. somewhere between 14-17 a game and not getting as many shots as he is in seatle as the second option and a true point in Payton. But I think in my opinion Odom would be happy avg. between 12-15 a game and being third or fourth in scoring on the team and doing other things like rebounding and creating as he has mention several times in interviews about his role as a clipper.

    The real big difference between the two is one is a better shooter and the other is a better driver and creator. In my opinion I think our team needs more assisters than shooters. Becuase I don't see how either can avg. 20pts a game with a healthy Francis, Mobley, Taylor, and Griffin since these guys are sure to say with the team next season and avg. double digits in scoring.
     
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    odom definitely.... Rashard Lewis expects and will demand the Max $. Odom is the better creator of points- he will get 4 x the number of assists as Lewis. Lewis is a glorified spot up shooter with no low post presence. Lewis is soft.

    Lewis is using the Rockets to get the max from Seattle. Lewis helps the Rockets more eating up cap room for the Sonics.

    STAY IN SEATTLE RASHARD!!!!!!
     
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    LeWis Or ODom iS a hard choice. -- Sorry, Manny, but "Butler" didn't fit in with the "Lewis or Odom" question. Could this be a sign?
     
  13. Manny Ramirez

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    No, it's just a clever way of saying that you want Woods instead of Butler.:)

    But, that's your opinion that we should take Woods instead of Caron, as well.:p
     
  14. Sane

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    I haven't seen much of Caron Butler. In fact, just a few clips on some shows. But from what I've read, it seems like his ball handling is not good, and neither is his passing. that's a bad combination. Plus, doesn't that make another Shandon Anderson, who never fit into the SF spot for us?


    I don't know. It seems like we'll have to wait 2 seasons to get the finished product from this guy, and word is, ain't no more waitin' for Rudy.
     
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    True.:D I wouldn't be dismayed if the Rockets wind up drafting Butler, but I am unconvinced his game is not dissimilar to K.T.'s -- and we already have K.T.
     
  16. Manny Ramirez

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    Ah, but Caron is the better outside shooter than KT and I believe more explosive to the basket. However, Woods has great physical talent as well, so I wouldn't be exactly crying if we took him over Butler. It's just that I feel that Butler has played against better competition than Woods and that gives him the edge in my book.

    Sane - where have you heard that about Caron's ballhandling? From here or somewhere else?
     
  17. Prempeh

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    Sane...I don't know where you read about Caron's ball skills but wherever it was, the source is misinformed. He's a decent/average ball handler, but he is a really good passer, especially in the post or when taking it to the hole. He has good court vision and is able to pick people out in tight quarters to pass to.
     
  18. jello77

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    nice
     
  19. Sane

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    NBA Comparison: Paul Pierce

    Strengths: A tough and strong player both physically and mentally. Never stops fighting, very competitive and doesn't back down from a challenge. Rebounds very well and has a strong court sense. Strong at taking the ball to the basket. A solid defender. Capable of spectacular finishes and runs the floor well with good body control. This season showed vast improvements in his perimeter game. His outside shot has become very consistent.

    Weaknesses: Can become better at ball handling and passing. Had some personal issues as a youth spending time in juvenile hall. Character problems don't seem to be an issue any more as he has rededicated his life. At 6-7 is a little on the short side with the new trend of taller small forwards. However, it shouldn't be much of an issue.

    Notes: Finished the season on fire and will have a shot at a lottery selection should he choose to leave early. Barkleyesque with his aggressiveness, strength and ability to run the court. Very tough court demeanor. Used to eat up DerMarr Johnson when the two played 1 on 1 in prep school.
     
  20. Sane

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    That's where I last read it, and I first heard it from a friend who watches college ball. I really do think he's 2 seasons away. Because the type of player he is, he NEEDS superior ballhandling, quickness, and passing. His size maybe a problem.
     

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