Vince Carter - Let's talk stats and performance (like Morey)

That would be an alternate universe

You meant Ben Wallace.

 

A healthy McGrady of years past is far better than Vince Carter.

IMHO.

 

Vince Carter is a much better fit for Rick's offense than McGrady is. Carter can actually shoot.

That said, I just don't know how much more of a chance he gives the team to win in all honesty.

 

First Round, Game 7.

 

You are correct sir, I mistyped....thanks, I will now correct it.


DD

 

It's no secret he loves the big splash, but he's always struck me as shrewd enough not to interfere with personnel decisions. He was against the Battier trade and Gay was the bigger splash.

He's strongly backed the big deals we've made, but they've been in line with management's strategy at the time. I can't see him pushing for this if Morey thought it was against our best interests. And I can't see why Morey would think otherwise.

 

not only that people who do not watch basketball are the one's who are saying tracy is just so much better than carter. Tmac has never been just way better than Carter look up the stats since it seems like a whole lot of you all aren't watching any other teams out there

 

People here are underestimating Vince Carter. Vince Carter was fantastic during his time with Toronto. If we do get Carter, it would be very good for Houston since Vince is just as good as Tmac when he's on his games.

Out of Amare or Miller. Vince is the better fitting for Houston.

 

T Mac stats

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
97-98 TOR 64 17 18.4 0.450 0.341 0.712 1.6 2.6 4.2 1.5 0.8 0.9 1.03 1.30 7.0
98-99 TOR 49 2 22.6 0.436 0.229 0.726 2.4 3.2 5.7 2.3 1.1 1.4 1.63 1.90 9.3
99-00 TOR 79 34 31.2 0.451 0.277 0.707 2.4 4.0 6.3 3.3 1.1 1.9 2.03 2.50 15.4
00-01 ORL 77 77 40.1 0.457 0.355 0.733 2.5 5.0 7.5 4.6 1.5 1.5 2.57 2.10 26.8
01-02 ORL 76 76 38.3 0.451 0.364 0.748 2.0 5.9 7.9 5.3 1.6 1.0 2.49 1.80 25.6
02-03 ORL 75 74 39.4 0.457 0.386 0.793 1.6 4.9 6.5 5.5 1.6 0.8 2.60 2.10 32.1
03-04 ORL 67 67 39.9 0.417 0.339 0.796 1.4 4.6 6.0 5.5 1.4 0.6 2.67 1.90 28.0
04-05 HOU 78 78 40.8 0.431 0.326 0.774 0.9 5.3 6.2 5.7 1.7 0.7 2.58 2.10 25.7
05-06 HOU 47 47 37.1 0.406 0.312 0.747 1.0 5.6 6.5 4.8 1.3 0.9 2.55 1.90 24.4
06-07 HOU 71 71 35.8 0.431 0.331 0.707 0.8 4.5 5.3 6.5 1.3 0.5 3.00 1.90 24.6
07-08 HOU 66 62 37.0 0.419 0.292 0.684 0.6 4.5 5.1 5.9 1.0 0.4 2.42 1.40 21.6
08-09 HOU 35 35 33.7 0.388 0.376 0.801 0.6 3.8 4.4 5.0 1.2 0.4 1.97 1.10 15.6



Vince

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
98-99 TOR 50 49 35.2 0.450 0.288 0.761 1.9 3.8 5.7 3.0 1.1 1.5 2.20 2.80 18.3
99-00 TOR 82 82 38.1 0.465 0.403 0.791 1.8 4.0 5.8 3.9 1.3 1.1 2.17 3.20 25.7
00-01 TOR 75 75 39.7 0.460 0.408 0.765 2.3 3.2 5.5 3.9 1.5 1.1 2.23 2.70 27.6
01-02 TOR 60 60 39.8 0.428 0.387 0.798 2.3 2.9 5.2 4.0 1.6 0.7 2.57 3.20 24.7
02-03 TOR 43 42 34.2 0.467 0.344 0.806 1.4 3.0 4.4 3.3 1.1 0.9 1.72 2.80 20.6
03-04 TOR 73 73 38.2 0.417 0.383 0.806 1.3 3.5 4.8 4.8 1.2 0.9 3.05 2.90 22.5
04-05 TOR 20 20 30.4 0.411 0.322 0.694 1.4 1.9 3.3 3.1 1.2 0.8 1.10 2.80 15.9
04-05 NJN 57 56 38.9 0.462 0.425 0.817 1.4 4.5 5.9 4.7 1.5 0.6 2.56 3.30 27.5
05-06 NJN 79 79 36.8 0.430 0.341 0.799 1.7 4.1 5.8 4.3 1.2 0.7 2.70 3.00 24.2
06-07 NJN 82 82 38.1 0.454 0.357 0.802 1.4 4.6 6.0 4.8 1.0 0.4 2.65 3.20 25.2
07-08 NJN 76 72 38.9 0.456 0.359 0.816 1.5 4.5 6.0 5.1 1.2 0.4 2.38 3.20 21.3
08-09 NJN 52 52 36.5 0.439 0.393 0.815 1.1 4.0 5.1 4.9 1.0 0.4 2.02 2.80 20.8

 

in 03/04 is the only real year tmac out performed carter...but on a side note carter was trying to get out of toronto at that time

 

here's a hint: the gripe against carter is his contract, not his production.

 

well that makes it even worse if you ask me. His contract is tradeable the year after tmac comes off the books, so what is the problem? I think it is great to be able to have back to back years of close to max contracts coming off the books

 

The stats Morey looks at are far more complex than what you see in the box score.

It's impossible to know what type of player Morey would want, because his standards are a trade secret of the organization.

That being said, generally we know a good player when we see it.

Carter is one of those players that seems good on paper, but since he hasn't really been a winner, it's hard to say how his stats would contribute to wins and losses.

In Morey I trust.

 

Vince's #'s do look pretty good. I especially like the shooting percentages, but does it help that Vince has been playing with a good point gaurd for the last five years or does Vince just know how to get open looks better than t-mac??

 

The real question is are the Nets willing to allow this or any other trade proposal squander their playoff hopes. Last I checked they were pretty confident their back court would be the key to them making a late push.
It's hard to imagine they would be willing to take on such a huge contract with such uncertainty. They may not be contenders, but playoffs=$.

 

Don't forget, the Nets are also in the running for Lebron except I believe that their moving to brooklin fell through. T-Mac's expiring contract next year will be like gold.

 

He's given us hints. He wants someone who'll give a boost to the offense. He clearly values the things Tracy can bring when he's right -- Vince brings a lot of the same things.

He also seems to put some value on adjusted +/-, though the Rockets in-house methods for calculating it aren't known. Still, a more simplistic adjusted +/- is publicly available at basketballvalue.com, and according to that Vince Carter is a +5.6 per 100 possessions.

Morey's also said that he's not overly focused on 2010 summer, but he doesn't want to bring in bad deals either. How does Carter's contract fit into that?

 

From year to year throughout their careers, I think the sort of went back and forth between who was better. But I'm not sure Tracy has ever been far better than Vince.

IMHO.

 

The funny thing is that I put the odds of LeBron or DWade leaving their current teams at less than 5%. All these idiots clearning out cap space are going to be disappointed in the summer of 2010.

 

Just for clarification, I think Vince Carter is fantastic, and if Mac were healthy, he would probably be the finishing piece.