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What's the big deal about Yao -- besides his size?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by boby, Feb 13, 2009.

  1. MD_in_Training

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    Rebuilding teams don't keep unhappy 26 year-olds who won't resign with you to build around. Rebuilding teams try to gather as many young rookie talents and draft picks as possible.
     
  2. ikarus

    ikarus Rookie

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    Who said Amare wouldn't resign with Suns? He said he would be glad to stay.
    Rebuilding teams don't keep a player like Amare who needs his teammates to make him better. You want a player who makes his teammate better. By the way, Amare would be a good fit for Houston though.
     
  3. MD_in_Training

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    Amare couldn't play with Shaq. What makes you think he can play with Yao?

    There is no chance Amare would resign with a rebuilding Suns team.
     
  4. ikarus

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    He would have to change his game, otherwise Houston wouldn't get him.

    He's only 26. I don't see why he would be that desperate if he is really a franchise material.
     
  5. crash5179

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    Maybe you should get a clue.

    KG was an NBA Most Valuable Player as a Timberwolfe
    KG was an NBA Defensive Player of the Year as a Timberwolfe
    KG led the Timberwolves to the Western Conference Championship.

    Maybe you should check your facts. You currently look like an idiot.
     
  6. scutmb

    scutmb Member

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    yeah, with two tempary star help for one year. look what T-mac get in Orland, and he almost single hand beat Detroid.

    Only idiot call other idiont, you are the one,
     
  7. crash5179

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    Waaaaa! Waaaaaa!

    You are wrong just admit it and stop pouting like a little baby.

    TMac was up 3 to 1 on Detroit and blew it.
    TMac was up 2 games to 0 against Dallas with 3 games left in Houston and Blew it.
    TMac was up 2 games to 0 against Utah with a game 7 in Houston and blew it.

    TMac has always been lazy on Defense and KG has always taken pride in it. Don't try to compare the two.
     
  8. BackNthDay

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    HOW TRUE, the Big Liability earns his cash. Dude practices and hustles. We can't expect everything out of him. Every player has weakness
     
  9. scutmb

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    wich day care you come form, waaaaa, I htought duck is here.... :eek:
     
  10. MorningDew

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    What else you are expecting? for a player's contribution to a sport organization other than what yao has been done? He is an unselfish teammate; he never involve in any kind of trouble or negative news; he has great working moral and he has been the framework and hub for the team on both end of the court.... Beyond all these, he is a huge "cash cow" bringing millions of viewerships... What else you can get out from a single player? Admittedly he has not led the team pass the 1st round, but the game takes 5, even Mike Jordan could not make it singlehandedly...

    Having seen enough of your posts, almost every single one, questioning Yao and his basketball, we can now tag you simply with "a PURE Yao hater"... :mad:

    Thanks
     
  11. BossRolen

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    You have the most ridiculous broken English, and some serious problems with spelling.
     
  12. Shroopy2

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    The answer is Yao is a good teammate, hard worder and consumate professional besides his size. And does provide TANGIBLE on-court results for the team in the regular season. And there's some statistical support behind his All Star selections.

    But Yao hasnt done anything else deserving of a CONTENDING teams maximum dollars. He'd get max dollars from a bottom dweller with cap space trying to bring visiblity to their franchise like OKC, Memphis, etc. I dont think a team like San Antonio or New Orleans offers him max money

    I think 3 years $50 mil is plenty fair. Philly gave about to turn 30 Elton Brand 5 years $80 mil. Brand is equally if not more productive in his career and not as injury prone as Yao. And Elton Brand turned into one of the worst contracts in the league halfway in the 1st season
     
  13. rnrhodes21

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    Yao is a good player, but he pisses me off WAY too much! As a season ticket holder, I watch this guy lose 3-4 balls a game, whether it be loose balls, rebounds, or passes he doesn't catch. I hate the fact he always gets dunked on, and I don't believe other teams fear him in the lane. It all boils down to one thing - AGGRESSIVENESS! You have to be aggressive to win a championship, and I have my doubt at this point.
     
  14. buptjinhe

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    Unforturnately, size is everything. You got to double-team him every time when he touchs the ball.
     
  15. ThaBlackKnight

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    Look at other guys who were atleast 7'3 or taller in the past. Most people this tall shouldn't even be able to walk without pain or clumsiness, but all of these guys were able to play in the NBA for atleast a few seasons.

    Ralph Sampson,
    Gheorge Mureson
    Shawn Bradley
    Manute Bol
    Priest Lauderdale,
    Chuck Nevitt
    Rik Smits
    Zydranus Ilgauskus
    Mark Eaton
    Keith Closs
    Arvydas Sabonis (past his prime in the NBA).

    http://www.rootzoo.com/articles/vie...A-History._6847

    Of those, Ralph Sampson was the ONLY one who was a truly gifted athlete, BUT even in his best seasons, his numbers are similar to Yao's. His highest blocked shots average was 2.4 and his highest rebounding average was 11.1

    Last year, Yao had his career high in rebounds 10.8 and tied for his highest blocked shot average 2 bpg

    Mark Eaton was certainly a force on defense blocking shots. He was truly a great shot blocker at his peak. But, in his 11 year career, he only averaged over 10 rebounds per game twice. He also averaged many blocks in an era where guards were no where near as athletic as they are today, not that he could help that, but I don't think he could block Lebron, Kobe, or Dwade or players like that 5 times per game. He was also gifted with a very long wingspan, where as Yao has short arms for his height. The difference is made up offensively between Yao and Eaton. Yao is not a stiff on offense. He has post moves and he can create for himself and he can hit an open jumper.

    Ilguaskus and Smits are probably the 2 that are closest to Yao, atleast in terms of offensive skillset. They both have similar post moves and an even better shooting touch than Yao. Unfortunately, they both dealed with numerous foot problems throughout their career, which effected their game. Still, at their peaks, I think Yao is still much more physical and athletic than both of them. Rik Smits highest rebounding average was 7.7 and his highest blocks per game was 2.1. Ilgauskus's highest rebounding average was only 9.3, which was last year, but he did have a great year with blocking shots in 03-04 with 2.5 bpg.

    Sabonis was by far the most skilled man that was atleast 7'3. His passing was comparable to Chris Webber's. He could shoot 3's with ease, and he had a decent post game in the NBA. He was a great athlete like Sampson, but he had devastating injuries as well, but he was able to adapt his game to his injuries. Due to those injuries, he had trouble running the floor, and moving laterally. He was never a dominant rebounder or shot blocker either due to these injuries. He only averaged 10 rebounds once in his NBA career and never averaged more than 1.3 bpg either.

    Now those were the guys over 7'3 who had some skills and athleticism. None of them ever ended up being better than Yao. Now, if Sampson and Sabonis never had any major injuries, then they would clearly be better than Yao, but that wasn't the case. Big men are fragile, especially their knees and feet.

    Here are the "stiffs":

    Shawn Bradley, a poster waiting to happen, or an obstacle or gimmick for people getting ready to dunk. In all fairness, he was a pretty good shotblocker for 8 years, but he wasn't very athletic after his rookie year, and he was very limited offensively and was very thin. He was also a bad rebounder, with his highest average being 8.8 rpg.

    Gheorghe Muresan had one decent year 14ppg, 9.3rpg, 2.3 bpg, but he only played 5 seasons and was very slow at running up and down the court.

    Manute Bol was a great shotblocker for his first 8 years as well, but his highest rebounding average was 6, which was in his rookie season. Sadly, the man can barely walk these days and deals with much more important issues than basketball. He did have a nice 3 point shot occasionally though, which was surprising.

    Kieth Closs only lasted 3 years in the NBA. Was a decent shotblocker in very limited minutes, but didn't do anything in the league, even with a light body (212 lbs.)

    Priest Lauderdale was 7'4, 325 lbs (the heaviest player listed) but only lasted 74 games in the NBA through 2 seasons in the 90's.

    Chuck Nevitt, a former Rocket, was 7'5, but only played in a 155 games over 12 years, just due to a lack of playing time, not injuries.

    At 7'6, 310 lbs. Yao is very talented for his size. He is the second heaviest man listed here, and is the 4th tallest, being only an inch or so shorter than the guys in front of him.

    It is an absolute miracle that he is as coordinated as he is, can run the floor, is strong, can shoot, make his own post move and create his own shot, AND recover from injuries, which is the most impressive thing about a man his size.

    We can't keep comparing him to Dream or Shaq. Its just not fair to him. I know he is a #1 pick and all but he is not even supposed be able to do the things he does for this long.

    People compared him to Smits and Ilgauskus, but obviously he is more physical and stronger than they are.

    People compared him to Sabonis, but he can run the floor better and can score more on his own.

    When he got injured, people compared him to Sampson, but he came back, almost to pre-injury form, if not a better overall player (improved passing).

    He was also compared to Mark Eaton, but he is much more of an offensive force than Eaton, while still having a presence on defense.

    Then, obviously he is better than the "stiffs" in his overall game.

    We are lucky we didn't end up with another Shawn Bradley or Mureson, because at his size, thats what Yao should've been, but through hard work and practice, he didn't allow that to happen.
     
  16. xieshuang19

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    of course Houston will keep Yao,they need yao to make chinese people's money :p
     

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