doesn't look like it!! my family is celebrating my b-day on sunday evening...and saturday is all sold out...sooooo...no dave for me this year. but at least I have the CD you made me. I could go outside and turn it on and pretend to be there!
I find this entire "demeaned the office of the Presidency" talk hilarious. Bill Clinton didn't do anything different from any other occupant of the White House. In fact, having sex with an intern is much less harmful to the country than other things other Presidents have done while in office. The difference is that (1)he got caught and (2) he got caught lying about it and (3) he got caught lying about it in the age of the internet and 24 hour news channels who are then able to spread the story and spin it all over the world in nanoseconds.
Do any of you Clinton supporters draw the line anywhere? He's an embarrassment. It wasn't just using his stature as an elected official to negotiate have sex (or whatever it was) with a young, impressionable intern, the try to destroy her reputaion (before knowing about the dress), it was his belief that he could lie under oath and get away with it because we were either too stupid to see through his deception or he felt he was too powerful for it to impact him. Some of us here were not offended by his actions, that's fine. You see it differently than I, I can accept that. It's time for some of you to accept how many of us see it differently, regardless of our political idealogies. I never had any 'conservative' preconceptions about Clinton when he was first elected...he earned my dusgust. Many of us hoped that he would just stay on the lecture circuit and away from highly-visible public life. Again, you may not care whether an Ex-President of ours hosts Oprah, or Jerry Springer, or becomes a stripper (no offense intended to the strippers). Many of us do, and its not that surprising.
I DON'T care what he does with his life on his own time. I'm tired of hearing about him altogether. When will the daily dose of Bill end? I'm overclintoned already...
There definately is an unhealthy preoccupation with Clinton on from the Right. It doesn't really bother me that conservatives hate Clinton, what pissem me off is the lying about how it has nothing to do with politics when it so obviously does. Right wingers hate Clinton because he is a Democrat, they use his bonehead mistakes as reasons to try and convince others to hate him. If conservatives really cared about the antics, morals, and integrity of all politicians, then why don't they turn their attention to their own kind. I never here any conservative say anything bad about Dubya being a former crack user, an alcoholic(there's a video at the smokinggun.com that proves he was still drinking long after he claims to have stopped), a failure as a business man, a draft dodger/fortunate son, and a C student who bought his way into the Ivy League yet we know he didn't learn anything just by reading the transcipts of all of his speeches(they are always hilarious "Is our children learning?"). How many of you care that Laura killed a 17 year old kid while driving intoxicated. She ran a stop sign and just plowed her car into some kid who didn't even see it coming. I don't even think she got community service for that bit of manslaughter. I'm surprised MADD doesn't have any ill will towards her. I don't remember the Clinton's telling the media what they can and can't talk about, but Luara's incident was to be left alone if you wanted to talk to the Bushes. So my point is that we should all just come clean. I know Clinton did things that I think are just wrong, but I don't care because he still represents my beliefs in politics and govt. I'm sure that people on this board who are conservatives don't agree with drug use, alcoholism, manslaughter, draft dodging, etc..., but I know you don't care because he is your court appointed Republican president and all you care about is him representing you beliefs in govt the same way us liberals only cared about Clinton representing ours. We all know it, we don't have to say, so lets just drop it.
Notice any patterns? The Bush's problems you describe are behind them. Clinton's are behind him, hounded him in office, and lay in wait for him probably. By the way, that's a cheap shot at Laura Bush. She ws 17 YO and not known as the future wife of the President.
I don't think you got my point. First of all, she didn't get any kind of punishment for what she did. My second point is that why should she deserve special treatment now. Whitewater happened before Hilary was the First Lady. I don't see how it was a cheapshot, it's a very legit issue if you think about it. How am I supposed to take Laura seriously when she does First Lady type things and tells people to not drink and drive when she has never even had to apologize for what she did. The fact that she was a rich white girl helped her get off without any punishment, and only garners "oh, poor thing, she was young" responses. That happened in 1963, if it had been some black kid, I'm sure he would have been lynched back then. But that's another issue. If you want to talk about cheap shots, why don't you ask that kid who didn't expect some debutant to end his young life back in 1963.
I believe that Laura Bush is Hispanic not some "rich white girl." She got whatever punishment the law meted out to 17 YO kids at the time. Hers was an "accident" not a cheap shot. Hillary Clinton was a principal of a big Arkansas law firm and the wife of the governor of Arkansas at the time. Are you really trying to equate their stations in life?
Ok, so if what Clinton did was an embarrassment, how do we rank: Presidents who fathered illegitimate children? Presidents who fathered illegitimate SLAVE children? Presidents who had mistresses? The Teapot Dome scandal? Watergate? Iran-Contra? if not those, how about... Presidents who formed their domestic agendas around their monied corporate donors? ALL politicians are an embarrassment. It is the nature of politics. Again I ask, whom exactly was demeaned by this? Since the majority of people saw the scandal itself and the way it was handled as the primary source of embarrassment, was it really his actions that were demeaning or the way those actions were scrutinized? IMO, for the office of the president to be demeaned, it requires people to ACTUALLY CARE about what happened. Given the fact that most Americans and most others from around the world consider the impeachment hearings as the embarrassment in question as opposed to the sex or the lying, I don't get where the actual demeaning took place.
Well, I'm not defending Clinton, but Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan spring to mind. The first pretty clearly WAS a crook, and the second couldn't keep himself awake in meetings, and had some Hollywood style obsession with the "evil empire," of the USSR. My vote would go to Reagan as your most embarrassing president. Edit: Thanks for the reminder Jeff. You can add Iran-Contra to Reagan's list of gems. He's the clear winner, IMHO.
Will you please point me to any reputable web site indicating that Laura Bush nee Welch was DWI at the time? Every report I have ever seen fails to mention that.
Laura Bush isn't hispanic, that's Jeb's Wife. Her last name is Welch. Being that I am hispanic, I can tell you I don't know others named Welch
Had Clinton been the owner of a tire company and pulled those Lewinski shenanigans with a lower level employee, he would have had his ass sued off-- and probably lost his business. I REALLY CARE about what happened. I have greater expectations of the leader of the greatest country on the planet. It really doesn't matter about the foibles of other men in other times. We live in a different age with our mores and our news cycles. Get realistic, Bill. I think part of his problem was that he couldn't get away with something in 1996 that he got away with in 1986 because of both technological advancements and because of higher stakes as president. And it's not so much that I care about "what happened" as I care about the lack of integrity and the patent dishonesty about the way it was handled when it came to light. The democratic spin-meisters conducted a great campaign to turn an obstruction issue into a sex-scandal issue. Ain't politics ugly?! I don't care what the Bulgarian's or the French think about the way our government processes handled the situation. Having that accountability trotted out and tried is what keeps this nation from receding from the greatness that it has gotten through two centuries of grinding through triumph and failure.
My bad then. Where did George learn so much Spanish? Nevertheless, you're not going to try and complain about the different treatment that she and Hillary Clinton received are you?
Wow, I had never heard about the Laura Bush car wreck thing. Crazy. From CNN: Laura was born in Midland, Texas, in 1946 to Harold and Jenna Welch. Her father was a successful real estate developer, while her mother kept the books. Harold Welch died in 1995. Successful real estate developer in Midland Texas = king of the world, lol. Poor Midland...what a waste of desert space. Couldn't find anything about her being drunk...just that she accidentally drove through a stop sign. giddy, Have you ever heard GWB speak Spanish? He doesn't know very much.
50 million a year? Wow.....and that's not even considering the merchandising possibilities for exploitation.
Yes I have and I agree. I am not saying he is bilingual or anything, but he seems to be as adept at a foreign language as any president in history. I speak more Spanish than he does for God's sake... Bill Clinton, Master of the Language of Love!
