What's the big deal about Yao -- besides his size?

Then you lose him. How much did R Lewis get?

 

One other big difference between Yao and Al Jefferson is Yao commands double teams most nights. Jefferson does not.

 

my bad.

 

It's a funny thing... people think, well, if Yao is just some normal 7 footer he'd be just another guy. Don't think that's correct. A 7'2'' version of Yao kind of already exists, he's playing decent ball in Cleveland next to Lebron James and getting paid very well. There have also been other relatively unatheletic but sufficiently skilled 7 footers who did well in the league. Kevin Duckworth anyone?

It's hard to say Yao is "just big." There were other jumbo sized guys, but how many averages close to 20 points a game with a TS% of 60%? How many player at any size does that? Sure he has weaknesses and has special requirements when you try to build a team around him, but it's pretty neat when 20 of the points you score a game came at a 60% TS%-- and yes, this year, the Rockets have been more far more efficient with him on the court.

 

Take for what its worth, I have argued in the past that there was only 2 max guys in the league and it used to be shaq and duncan. Now paying a guy max because that's what the markets says is what happens now. Is yao worth the max? No, but that's the market.

There also have been discussion about jefferson v yao. I don't care where I get my production from with the 4/5. Would you rather have the yao-scola duo or boozer-okur? Boozer and Yao will get u 20-10 down low but okur is a much better player than scola. So it doesn't matter if that post player is a center or pf as long as u get production.

 

No matter how many times you repeated the fallacy, Amare is the max piece the rebuilding Suns is dumping. Amare himself is also confused: you want to rebuild, why not me?
The answer is so clear: you are not good.

 

Shaq is done. Nash is the true center piece of Suns. Only the "dominate" fake center Amare might be a good trading piece.

 

"But that's a team full of weirdoes and psychos. When a team's title hopes are partially counting on Ron "Malice at the Palace" Artest that about says it all." - Mike Freeman

This says it all.

 

Nash is old, but he is the most important player in the Suns team, at least for the time being. That's the type of player you want to keep rather than trade. Tracy was in the similar situation, but it has got much worse: a player you don't want to keep but you CANNOT trade either.

 

You rationale is wrong. When u rebuild , u take a piece and get the most back. The Rox traded moses malone fresh off his 2nd mvp and taking a 41 win team to the finals and they traded him. So that means Moses was not good?

 

Situations are so different.
"Malone became a restricted free agent after the 1981–82 season, and he signed an offer sheet with the Philadelphia 76ers on September 2. Houston then exercised its right of first refusal and matched the offer, only to trade Malone to the Sixers on September 15 for Caldwell Jones and a 1983 first-round draft choice."

I don't what happened to Malon's negotiation with Rox, but it looks more like a divorce. Again, a young "dominate" "center" Amare is supposed to be your building center piece. maybe he is not "dominate", nor a "center"?

 

What I'm trying to tell you is that just because a team decides to go in another direction doesn't mean the player isn't really good. Moses was the best player in the league and most dominant center in the nba as witnessed by the 2nd mvp, but they traded him. Good players get traded all the time in the nba. Are you going to tell me it was too late to keep building around kg? All they needed was a good draft and some good signings and they couldve been back in the mix. Hell,if they had kept roy instead of trading him for Foye, KG might still be in Minny. La traded Shaq to miami and went to the lotto. They couldve kept him,let his contract play out and had 30m in cap space, but again, they decided to go another direction. If the suns trade Amare, it has nothing to do with him not being a good player. It could be a poor decision like when Memphis gave away Gasol even though he was 27 yr old 7ft er.

 

There is no fallacy, only your lack of understanding for professional basketball. You don't keep an unhappy 26 year-old to rebuild, especially when he has a large contract and isn't likely to resign with you during your rebuilding era. Historically, teams in rebuilding mode try to garner as many young, inexpensive talents as possible by trading their malcontent stars for draft picks and promising young players.

 

Yao will undoubtedly get a MAX deal in both money and years and it won't be because some team will think they are getting the best of the best by paying him that much for that long. It will also probably have little to do with winning championships.

In years four five and six you will probably be crippling your franchise by having done it but the only people suffering will be the fans; the owner who agrees to the deal will be perfectly happy paying Yao, who is probably by this point offering Dikembe like production, because he will still be reaping whatever monetary rewards having Yao brings.

All that said, I feel the ROckets have done everything in their power to this point to make Yao a success by surronding him with what was arguably top five talent in TMAC and solid role players but it just has not worked out that way.

On a side note can someone explain how Yao = revenue because I am not sure I fully understand it. I mean, I see the Chinese adds on the scorers table at TC but wouldn't Les make just as much if they were Geico ads? Please do explain that to me.

 

your whole post is based on how yao only gets a max contract because he brings more money to the boss. and yet, you then claimed you don't really understand how yao generates more revenue for his team.

a silly post if you ask me.

 

who cares what you said? Guarantee? Guarantee my ass! Your gurantee deserve nothing except shi!!t.

 

A good Yao= revenue.
A non-productive Yao= crap and no revenue= what happened to wang and Yi.

 

I'm not a mind reader but I think this is what the poster was asking and I always have questions about it to. Yao opens doors for Les's side business, but how does that help the rox? Les isn't using the money generated from the doors being opened in china, so how is that helping the rox? All international money is split by all the other teams. In fact, anything generated outside 75 mile radius goes into the pot for all the teams. So if Yao is so valuable monetary wise, why isn't les buying up draft picks like Mr. Microsoft in portland? In essence, Les uses Yao's exposure to open doors for him, but he doesn't put those benefits back into the team.So all in all, its like he gets nothing beneficial from yao that he applies to the Rockets.