Australia is suffering from the deadliest wildfires in its history with 171 dead and counting. What makes it worse is that some of these fires might have been deliberately set. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29067017/ Australian fire zone declared a crime scene Death toll rises to at least 171; angry PM describes fires as ‘mass murder’ DEVELOPING STORY msnbc.com news services updated 2 hours, 10 minutes ago WHITTLESEA, Australia - Police declared incinerated towns crime scenes Monday, and the prime minister spoke of "mass murder" after investigators said arsonists may have set some of Australia's worst wildfires in history. A police official told Reuters that the death toll had risen to 171. There were no quick answers, but officials said panic and the freight-train speed of the fire front — driven by 60 mph winds and temperatures as high as 117 degrees Fahrenheit — probably accounted for the unusually high toll. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, visibly upset during a television interview, reflected the country's disgust at the idea that arsonists may have set some of the 400 fires that devastated Victoria state, or helped them jump containment lines. 'There's no words to describe it' "What do you say about anyone like that?" Rudd said. "There's no words to describe it, other than it's mass murder." More than one dozen fires still burned uncontrollably across the state, though conditions were much cooler than on Saturday. Evidence of heart-wrenching loss abounded. From the air, the landscape was blackened as far as the eye could see. In at least one town, bodies still lay in the streets. Entire forests were reduced to leafless, charred trunks, farmland to ashes. The Victoria Country Fire Service said some 850 square miles were burned out. At Kinglake, a body covered by a white sheet lay in a yard where every tree, blade of grass and the ground was blackened. Elsewhere in the town, the burned-out hulks of four cars were clustered haphazardly together after an apparent collision. Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio reported a car in a small reservoir, the driver apparently steering there in desperation. "Everybody's gone. Everybody's gone. Everybody. Their houses are gone. They're all dead in the houses there. Everybody's dead," cried survivor Christopher Harvey as he walked through Kinglake. A Victoria state police spokesman told Reuters by telephone late Monday the toll had risen to 171 from about 135 hours earlier. He said the toll would almost certainly rise further. "What we've seen, I think, is that people didn't have enough time, in some cases," Victoria Police Commissioner Christine Nixon told a news conference. "We're finding (bodies) on the side of roads, in cars that crashed." Tales of survival But there were also extraordinary tales of survival. One man leapt into his pool to escape the flames as they roared over his house, leaving it unscarred but razing his neighbor's. Another woman sheltered with her children in a wombat burrow as the worst of the fire passed. Mark Strubing sheltered in a drainage pipe as his property, outside Kinglake, burned. "We jumped in the car and we were only literally just able to outrun this fire. It was traveling as fast as the wind," Strubing told Nine Network television news. He said he and a companion rolled around in the water at the bottom to wet their clothing as the flames started licking the pipe: "How we didn't burn I don't know." Elsewhere in Kinglake, Jack Barber fled just ahead of the flames with his wife and a neighbor, driving in two cars packed with birth certificates, insurance documents, two cats, four kittens and a dog. "We had a fire plan," he said Monday. "The plan was to get the hell out of there before the flames came." Their escape route blocked by downed power lines and a tree, they took shelter first at a school, then — when that burned — in an exposed cricket ground ringed by trees, where they found five others. "All around us was 100-foot flames ringing the oval, and we ran where the wind wasn't. It was swirling all over the place," Barber said. "For three hours, we dodged the wind." Wind moved quickly, changed direction The wind surged and changed direction quickly time and again on Saturday, fanning the blazes and making their direction utterly unpredictable from minute to minute. Local media had been issuing warnings in the days leading up to the weekend, but many people guarding their homes with backyard hoses would have been outside when the wind changed, and thus could have missed the new warnings. Jim Andrews, senior meteorologist at accuweather.com, said the combination of record high heat, high winds, gusts and low humidity created a perfect storm scenario for the fires. "I cannot fathom in my mind anything more, hellish, firewise," he said. "Last Saturday we had the most intense fire weather conditions we have had in forecast history," David Packham, a research fellow in climatology at the School of Geography & Environmental Science at Melbourne's Monash University, said in an e-mail to journalists on Monday. He said the heat and a recent lack of rain made it clear days before the weekend that "conditions were in place for a disaster to occur." At least 750 homes were destroyed Saturday, the Victoria Country Fire Service said. Officials said both the tolls of human life and property would almost certainly rise as they reached deeper into the disaster zone, and forecasters said temperatures would rise again later in the week, posing a risk of further flare-ups. Police Commissioner Nixon said investigators had strong suspicions that at least one of the deadly blazes — known as the Churchill fire after a ruined town — was deliberately set. And it could not be ruled out for other fires. She cautioned against jumping to conclusions. The country's top law officer, Attorney General Robert McClelland, said people found to have deliberately set fires could face murder charges. Murder can carry a life sentence. Police sealed off Maryville, a town destroyed by another fire, with checkpoints, telling residents who fled and news crews they could not enter because there were still bodies in the streets. Armed officers moved through the shattered landscape taking notes, pool news photographs showed. John Handmer, a wildfire safety expert at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, said research had shown that people in the path of a blaze must get out early or stay inside until the worst has past. "Fleeing at the last moment is the worst possible option," he said. "Sadly, this message does not seem to have been sufficiently heeded this weekend with truly awful consequences in Victoria." Even if a house is set ablaze, it will burn more slowly and with less intensity than a wildfire and residents have a better chance of escape, he said. Victoria state Premier John Brumby on Monday announced a commission would be held to examine all aspects of the fires, including warning policies. "I think our policy has served us well in what I call normal conditions. These were unbelievable circumstances," Brumby said on Australian Broadcasting Corp. television. Blazes have been burning for weeks across several states in southern Australia. A long-running drought in the south — the worst in a century — had left forests extra dry and Saturday's fire conditions in Victoria were said to be the worst ever in Australia. In New South Wales state on Monday, a 31-year-old man appeared in court charged with arson in connection with a wildfire that burned north of Sydney over the weekend. No loss of life was reported there. He faces up to 10 years in prison. The country's deadliest fires before the current spate killed 75 people in 1983. In 2006, nine people died on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula.
Just started a new thread, was getting the link as you posted this. Guess mine could have gone in here.
It's interesting that the article posted here didn't make any connections to the one in your thread. It seems like a pretty obvious connection.
We're powerless against fires that get going with 90+ degrees and winds of 35+ mph. that being the cutoff wind speed for aircraft operations. I can't imagine the fire conditions they're facing over there, particularly given the types of vegetation they have. The Aussies come over at times to help us out and I think we're about to send a contingent over there. One of the things they do differently from us is that they advise people to shelter in place. They have lots of homes down one-way roads and such, so it sort of makes sense. However, this will definitely cause a reevaluation of that policy.
I think articles are two different takes on the same story. The one I posted was primarily about the devestation caused by the fires and while they led with the most sensational part of the story didnt deal too much with possible arson. The article in Uprising's thread deals specifically with the possibility of this being arson used as terrorism and didn't address the devestation.
Forgot to add. I know there are some Australian Clutchfans so I hope all of them are OK. Luckily these fires don't sound like they are near any major cities.
Please try and find some pictures of the whole devstation, a whole town has been basically wiped out. It is like a war zone. I have been personally effected by this, which thankfully did not result in a loss of life. My family members can rebuild, others are not so lucky and my thoughts are with them. The only good thing that has come out of this is the good will of people, everyone seems to be coming together to help.
Glad to hear you're okay Oz Rocket... now we just need our little aussie rocket to chime in to know he is okay. I have a friend just outside Melbourne and she said they are about an hour from the fires themselves, but they have seen the smoke from them.
Thanks Hayesfan, I am ok. I live in a different state, but its horrible to know such devestation is going on just an hours plane ride away in Victoria.
Was just about to post about this. Being in Melbourne this has really hit us hard. Although the fires aren't close, just seeing the devastation is shocking. One of my dad's old work friends was lost, they couldn't find him. Everyone thought he had died. Turns out he had left his house in a hurry to help his neighbours, and from there kept fighting the fires for days. They just found him, alive and well. If you'd like to donate to the victims, you can do so here. Every little bit helps.
Good to hear that you guys are OK. When I was in school at Berkeley there was a massive fire in the Oakland hills that wiped out a whole neigborhood so I've seen the devestation first hand what a huge fire can do.
I live in Sydney and am not in a bushfire area, but you can smell the smoke from fires around the city. Its terrible whats happening in Victoria. There are many towns that are just completely wiped off the map, many of them I doubt will be rebuilt. All this and we also have major flooding in Queensland.
These fires have hit every one hard in Australia it seems. It's almost unbelieveable to think in this day and age so many people can die in this situation. I wish all the people still fighting the fires all the best and may no more lives be lost. Anyone who is caught lighting fires, no matter if they kill someone or not should be jailed for 20+ years.
Hard to believe and hideous - but apparently people are STILL lighting new fires. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25038874-1243,00.html I hope theses pricks burn in their own firey hell sooner or later.
A photo timeline of the Victims of the fires......sadly it's being added to pretty often. http://media.news.com.au/multimedia/mediaplayer/skins/timeline/index.html?id=1185
That is really sad. The first picture I noticed on there was of a 9 year old girl who died with her 15 year old brother....
I also noticed in that article it said there were looters moving in to. Terrible.. I wish you guys the best. When I was in Thailand right after the tsunami I met a lot of Australians who had come out to help so I know Aussies have big hearts.
I am down in Tas and terrible watching and reading all about these. Good to see the country get behind them and donate money and lots of offers of help. These piece of crap arsonists should be shot on the spot. Like Victoria we are just one idiot on a good fire day to having a lot of destruction... everything is just so dry.. for those non australians the south east just had a huge heatwave beforehand which only made things worse. Listening to some of the stories on the radio while I am at work is very sad... some of them didn't even know their town was at risk but the wind changed and it was on them before they even had time to decide whether to stay or go.
Worst fires ever (even worse than Ash Wednesday supposedly) in the history of Australia. Hopefully all the Aussie Clutchfans are okay. I'm in Brisbane, QLD and there are also terrible floods here.. seems like Australia can't get a break right now. Huge heat wave, flooding, fires....