DD, How do you feel about Andre Miller I prefer him over Hirinch, the only issue might be he can't shoot 3s
wow... ok so i usually don't post here, but i've actually watched maggette play (lived in LA for the past few years and moved to SF this year), and hence I get clippers/lakers games in the previous years and warriors game this year. which means i've seen enough of maggette, and the first time i saw people wanting maggette for artest i was like whatever. but fyi maggette is even worse than artest in ball stopping. he is literally the worst black hole in world. here are some excerpts: Crawford And Maggette Have Heated Exchange Feb 04, 2009 4:43 PM EST Jamal Crawford and Corey Maggette had a heated exchange during Monday’s overtime loss to the San Antonio Spurs, according to a source. Crawford, apparently sparked by a comment from Maggette, began yelling at Maggette about his selfish play. The usually mild-mannered Crawford was the aggressor in the exchange, according to the source, and told Maggette to "contribute something other than scoring." The shouting match extended into the locker room at halftime. Crawford, reached after the game via email, sent a one-line reply to Marcus Thompson III when asked about the incident: “Don’t want to talk about it. We’ll keep that in house.” Crawford had four points on 2-10 shooting in 46 minutes, while Maggette was 6-13 with 15 points in 33 minutes. This is from the last game, I remember from a previous game where the GS team pretty much talked about how frustrating it was to watch maggette jack up and brick 3 straight pull up jumpers after getting the ball from them without even passing to his teammates once. Not only does maggette jack up fast break 3 pointers, he is shooting them at 18.8% clip this year (no joke look it up yourself). At least artest is 40.2% for this year on 3s. Not saying artest doesn't jack up some bad shots, but at least artest plays defense, which brings the other point. Maggette does not care about defense. From watching him play for may years, the only thing maggette cares about is piling up points for his stats. The only plus about Maggette does take it to the rim and hit a good % for FT as a plus over Artest, but you would also lose any sort of defense and hustle from that position also. And the reason why he drives is because well, it isn't passing and would add to his bottom line in points
P.S. people here in the SF bay area don't call maggette "regrette" for no reason. that guy looks better on paper than irl and that's because that's all he cares about.. his paper stats. imo we should trade for winners because we want to win ;P
Wafer and Brooks are nimble enough to cut baseline and make use of a Yao screen. Magette isnt nimble, he charges full steam and ducks his head. I guarantee this offense will look much uglier with Magette in the line up... his defender would sag to cut off the entry pass to Yao. Our rhythm would be destroyed anytime we bring the ball up on Magette's side of the court. We need a good spot up shooter who can also handle the ball when McGrady isnt bringing the ball up. I know I sound like a broken record but, Mike Miller.. we need him. Also, I would want to take on Magette's 4 year contract for the marginal benefits he might bring to this team... if any.
This is very accurate description of Maggette....He is hot garbage, and he belongs on a team where he can just get his numbers while his teammates, fans, and coaches watch in frustration.
First of all I don't have a ball n chain video game/basketball nerd. Second, put you on ignore? Impossible, with all the obsesive postings you do, I would lose track of every single subject torn apart by your compulsive, biased, and inane topics and opinions. Third I try so hard to stay on topic but is seems near impossible to ignore your new trade opinions and hate for whatever happens from game to game... what next artest goes crzy in the play offs and all your opions and obsessive arguing ment squat? what I hate most about you is that when you get proved wrong all you say is that I'm glad I'm wrong or I hope I'm wrong, but all I say is just shut up and keep your opinion to yourself! Artst will be fine, tracy will be fine, therefore the team will be fine. Be patient and wait, a million ttades won't help. DD your a bandwagon trash, get on the buss with a new team cuz I think a lot of people are getting tired of your obsessive opinions.
Nope. Hinrich would be a better fit. Andre Miller isnt a good enough shooter and is a much better point guard in transition because of his lob passing skills. Think Denver Nuggets when he used to play there.
People questioned Mike Bibby too before he went to Sacremento. Magette would work here in Houston.....and the fact that he is not working out on that sorry team in GS means we can get him for a song. And it is not surprising that Crawford clashes that guy is a ball hog as well. DD
Id prefer Miller over Hinrich because he is really good at running an offense and making his team mates better. Philli would never trade him though. They know how valuable he is. He is a terrible shooter, but he makes up for it with his crafty play. Hinrich is in between for me. He is not particularly good at anything. just ok at a lot of things. I dont know what his role would be on the rockets.
lol, they would practically give him to us because they wouldnt be able to find anyone dumb enough to take on his 4 year contract. Look, if you want to build a team around Maggette, by all means... but if you're serious about finding a good FIT for what we've already got going, you're mind-blowingly wrong thinking Maggette would blend right in.
Hey we could go on all night, and we would both be arguing on what he could or could'nt do in this offense. Like I said I'm in the opinion that even if Corey was available I'm not sure we have seen enough of this team to call it a failed expirement, and pull the trigger on moving Ron.
Yup exactly. For a while he looked like he was on pace to gradually become an elite or near elite PG, then last year happened. He hasn't looked the same since and given that he's 28 now you really have to ask yourself what you're *REALLY* getting for that price.
if i was a GS fan, i would approve of this trade immediately. too bad im a rockets fan, and therefore i would think this trade would be major suckage for the rockets... there's already enough "ball-stoppage" complaints on these boards already... i don't see why you think maggette will work in houston. as a 6th man subbing in for battier as off the bench scoring maybe if you are going for that one man 6th man scoring role, but we already have a decent scoring bench in landry/brooks/etc. that i don't think we need to resort to a one man scoring show for our bench. and we definitely do not need a one man scoring ball hogger in the starting lineup. maggette jacks up as much bad shots as he does driving to the rim.
What are you talking about... we've had the same core pieces for several years and we know Ron Artest isnt helping our greatest weakness... offense and spacing. Would you prefer to wait till after the trade deadline to do something about Ron? Maybe wait till next year when he's a free agent... when we'll likely lose him for nothing? How many more years do we have with TMac and Yao? 1 more?
Maggette is also a guy who would be terrible for our locker room. He b!tches about his minutes and when things are going poorly. Things are shaky in the locker room to begin with, to bring in a pricey guy who is known to get into with his team mates and coaches, that is just a disaster waiting to happen.
if we haven't had the injury problem this year and all the players played together for a bit longer, maybe our team could've had a nicer record. right now with 32 games left, unless we call it a quit this year already, i mean if we still want to achieve something, then some remarkable changes in personnel need to happen - right now. it's kinda unfortunate, and you can't really pin it down to any individual (it's useless to bash #1 at this point). but the roster doesn't fit well. how many different lineups have adelman already used? i doubt he will be able to find an ideal rotation with only 32 games left. for example, had artest not injured himself, he might've been able to fit in nicely already. it ain't his fault. but if what it takes to get us going is a nice trade, then so be it. it's all on les and morey now. they've got a major decision to make before the trade deadline, imo.
We need a PG that can SHOOT. Phoenix is getting blown out by Golden State...I sure hope Morey is on the phone with Kerr saying "come on, give us Nash!"
*Agrees* Bottom line is, there are a handful of players in this league who you don't absolutely get because they are proven losers. It doesn't matter about their talent or how much they score, how often they get to the line, or how many assists they get, etc. There are proven cancers to teams such as Stephon Marbury (20 points/8 assists guy, nice stats, cancer to team winning), Ricky Davis (pads his stats by missing off his own backboard to get a rebound). And Corey Maggette is one of those players. Mike Bibby actually tries to play basketball to win, and that's why you can't compare bibby not working out well in grizzlies to Maggette. If you play to win but in a bad system for you, you would not do well. If you play to get stats like Maggette/Davis/Marbury, it doesn't matter what team you are on, you are still gonna be a team cancer.
This is where we differ, I don't think our offense and spacing are our greatest weaknesses. Interior defense, second chance points (Finishing defensive possesions) That to me are our biggest weaknesses. As far as spacing the floor, well Ron is shooting the three at a 40% rate I just think we as a team shoot way too many threes in general.
Ok, that is your opinion, fine. I will take his 20ppg production, his reasonable contract, and his attack the basket mentality. I don't expect everyone to agree...no biggie..... DD
