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CHRON: Tracy once again PRAISING yao!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by t_mac1, Feb 4, 2009.

  1. MD_in_Training

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    Yao's contested fadeaways are consistently under 50% - which isn't bad for contested fadeaways. But, if you look at it from a longterm standpoint (and not the volatile nature of game-to-game situations), having Rafer take the open three is a better strategy than having Yao put up contested jumpers.
     
  2. GMAC

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    Completely DISAGREE. Nothing's worse than Rafer shooting. There's a reason WHY he's wide open. Opponent know the guy shoots 30%, even when he's left wide open. Yao Ming is money within that 10 foot radius from the basket. It doesn't matter if he's contested or not, b/c the guy is 7'6. Unblockable.
     
  3. MD_in_Training

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    My point was simply that from a purely mathematical standpoint, having Yao take a sub-50% shot is worse than having Rafer take a 33% three-pointer. In the long run, taking the statistical advantage pans out.
     
  4. leebigez

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    If a guy never practice shooting under pressure in extreme conditions, how can he ever excel. You wanting Rafer to take a 24ft shot vs Yao taking a 10ft shot isn't basketball. What teams will do is shoot a soft double because yao has given up his ability to force the issue. You can crunch number till ur ass is on fire, but there is a reason why guy shoot 35% from 24ft. At times, when the double is big,hard, and aggressive, then kick it out, but being doubled by a 6'7 sg isn't a double and yao passes that out its not showing his aggression.

    If yao want to be great, he has to be wiiling to have the confidence that his teammates know "we go as yao go." Our fate and fortunes shouldn't consist of whether rafer is hitting or not. Yao is the big dog and the big dog leads. The big dog doesn't pull the runt forward and let him lead.

    BTW, I used to do a lot of high end camps. I've also attended roy williams,dean smith, nolan richardson and even kenny smith camp in carolina. Since my business is ruuning pretty good now and at the urging of some local basketball coaches who I have friendships with, they want me to run camps again and assemble a elite type of summer league squad. Now my squads will be very,very skilled and not so much this out of control ball associated with aau ball. I don't need nike,reebok, anta or those other companies to do it either.
     
  5. durvasa

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    A wide open Rafer Alston will shoot at least 35% for you. Not great, but it's still a higher percentage shot (taking into account the extra point for 3-pointers) than a contested fadeaway. eFG% for a 35% 3-point rate is 53%. In the long run, that's not a bad shot for your offense, even taking into account that its less likely to be offensive rebounded. And a contested fadeaway by your center doesn't exactly yield great offensive rebounding opportunities either.
     
  6. redao

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    Yao Ming is very blockable.
     
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    Ever heard of a guy that plays for the Knicks name Nate Robinson about 5'7 5'8
     
  8. GMAC

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    Very UNblockable when he's fading away.
     
  9. leebigez

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    Durvasa, I'm not talking a yao fadeaway, I'm talking step through hook or turn and fire. Good players and good defenses contests shots. They leave rafer and shane open for a reason. The initial defense isn't designed to leave tracy,scola,or ron open. The main targets are the least offensive players namely shane and rafer. Defense wasn't yao to pass out. If they feel they can soft double yao with a guard, that means the other big can rebound and block shots. If yao is killing and the double is with a big, then the goal is unprotected and opens the door for offensive rebounds. That's when yao should kick out
     
  10. GMAC

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    Ya, I remember that guy. Something about jumping over another midget and winning a dunk title, thanks to some rigging, courtesy of Kenny Smith?
     
  11. GMAC

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    Statisical "advantage" never pans out in the Rockets favor when it comes to Rafer shooting. Teams leave this scrub WIDE OPEN for a reason. If he's dumb enough to shoot every single time, we'd lose every single game. If he had to bet your life on it, would you really rather have Rafer take a 3 than Yao take his signature fadeaway?
     
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    I guess you didn't understand where i was coming from. He blocked Yao Ming who in your words can not be blocked when shooting or whatever you said
     
  13. pmac

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    I agree Yao does get easily flustered and pass out of those weak doubles but that's not his biggest issue.

    With Yao, because he lacks quickness and jumping ability, it's hard for him to gain good position. When he's fronted or being played by an active smaller defender his teammates can't just lob the ball up high like other dominant bigs (shaq, hakeem, kareem, etc.) also he can't explode around his man and show his hands for a quick pass. Basically, he has to physically push his man into the paint and seal him off on every single possession. That is tiring and it takes a long time. So on alot of possessions, he either doesn't have time or energy to gain good position or he doesn't like the look he has and passes to a perimeter player.

    There aren't many big guys that have the ball in their hands more than Yao.
     
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    Teams leave Rafer WIDE OPEN because they would rather Rafer shoot a 3 than Yao be in the post with 1 guy on him. But when Yao has two guys on him... I'd rather have Rafer shoot that 3... every time.
     
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    Yao with a light double team far too often results in a steal/TO. I also would rather have him kick it out for a 3. He's strong, but his hands are not. I get worried everytime he puts the ball on the floor and his side of the floor is not cleared out.
     
  16. durvasa

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    Sometimes Yao should look to score with a double team, particularly when its a soft double. And I'm sure the Rockets talk about that (Morey pointed out in his interview today that Yao is getting better at scoring against doubles ... so clearly the Rockets see that as a good thing).

    Another thing to keep in mind is that Yao will often pass it out early when the defense sags looking for a repost deeper in the paint. If Yao gets a deep paint catch, he should almost never pass it out obviously. But if he's outside 8 feet from the basket and he can potentially get better position on a repost, it's sensible for him to pass it out. Yao obviously isn't Hakeem -- he can't face up 10 feet from the basket and attack off the dribble.
     
  17. MD_in_Training

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    Do you even understand the statistics that I pointed out? Rafer obviously shoots a lower % than Yao does, but given the fact that a 3 pointer is worth 33% more than a 2 point fg, Rafer shooting 33% is shooting an efg of 50%.
     
  18. leebigez

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    So lets give rafer 20 shots and let him go 7 of 20 if that's ur point.
     
  19. Shaud

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    There is nothing wrong with Rafer taking his open spot up jumpers. It is his pull up J's that is the problem.

    His inconsistent teardrop is the problem.
     
  20. bluesinsoul

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    I think 15 shots per game is the magic number for Yao. More than that his efficiency drops dramatically.
     

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