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Artest & Tmac - no chemistry yet?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by code_red, Feb 1, 2009.

  1. code_red

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    For some odd reason, Artest & Tmac don't seem to click very well when they're in the same game. The same can't be said of Artest & Yao or TMac & Yao (TMac & Yao are a no brainer since this is their 5th year together).

    Other than our first 3 games of the season, it seems like TMac and Artest are up and down in their games. I'm not saying we're losing an overwhelming number of games with both TMac and Artest in the lineup together, but we're not winning an overwhelming number of them either.

    Please take a look at the past games with TMac and Artest at: http://www.nba.com/rockets/schedule/
     
  2. EGYPT

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    luckily one of them is a bench player and they do not really have to play together for too log right now
     
  3. jVgOwnsYou

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    yep. They may not have the best chemistry together, but what makes artest valuable is his versatility. He can make an impact just being a defender and a spot up shooter with the starters or he can be a go to guy off the bench....Gives the coach alot of options.
     
  4. northeastfan

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    Not to mention that one of these guys actually plays defense. The other ....
     
  5. Eric Wong

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    Alderm should put T-mac on the bench, because he is the best sixth player in this team.
     
  6. ibm

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    well, what do you expect? they just started dating. no engagement ring, no wedding planned, yet.

    can't have too many star players that need the ball to be effective or dominant on the court at the same time. i think 2 is the max you can have at any point of a game. sometimes just one is even better. (think the spurs, lakers, celts and pistons when they were in the finals.)

    so you either let one or 2 of them sit and not play at the same time, or you trade one of them.
     
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    Rockets winning percentage is still at its best with the Medium-Big 3 all together, according to a Clutch post
    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=4199619&postcount=15
    All of them together still would have the best winning percentage. Though its apparent the last half of those games with them together have been REALLY shaky chemistry-wise.

    And oddly enoug the stats suggests this team has a WORSE record with McGrady this year. That as in and out and horrible shooting ball stopping as Artest has been the team has a better winning % with him than McGrady.

    But its apparent having all the talent together and having Yao is the best way

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    After tonights win its now 7-2 (.777 %) with Yao/Artest and no T-Mac.
     
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  8. ibm

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    are we onto something? :cool:
     
  9. roslolian

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    They won't have chemistry because of them need the ball to be effective. That's like the Nuggets having AI and Melo on the court at the same time. To balance things out you really a dead-eye shooter at the pg spot, and unfortunately all we have is Rafer Alston. Basically, until we can get a pg like Steve Blake, Tmac and Artest will never work well together, except during the times when Rafer Alston is doing his best to look like a dark-horse MVP candidate...
     
  10. northeastfan

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    There is nothing odd about it ... everyone who watches the games carefully can tell you why. TSlack doesn't hustle on either end of the floor and doesn't contribute to efficiency on either end of the floor.
     
  11. code_red

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    How do you explain Yao & Artest then? Artest never played with Yao before this season either.
     
  12. ibm

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    yao needs the ball to be effective/dominant (most like 90% of the star player do) as well, but to a quite less degree. other than taking it to his man (or men) and scoring, yao has many other duties on the court.

    is that what you mean?
     
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    They both play similar games, iso-post up, contested threes, attack the basket from the wing. Neither of them cut and both get alot of steals with gamble defense. Tracy is better at getting an open man a shot, Ron is a better defender and spot up three point shooter. They are redundant and shouldn't be on the floor at the same time. Pair up Shane/Mac in the starting lineup and Wafer/Artest as the bench crew. Having them both on the floor at the same time ends up with a serious lack of spacing and no movement.
     
  14. superx

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    Both of them need to be change to make our system operate well:they must sacrifice something on the court,they must give more credit to their teammates,don't do everything by themselves,learn RA's basketball system by heart.That's the only way to find the damn chemistry.
     
  15. Jeff Who

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    As DaDakota said, they just don't fit. You have two ball stoppers. You have two guys who have to have the ball in their hands. You have two guys who would like to post up.

    And when you put them on the floor at the same time, the ball just stops.
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Yes.

    DD
     
  17. Jeff Who

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    But T-Mac as a starter, and Ron as a 6th Man can work and hopefully will.

    Now the team is healthly so let's see what they can do.
     
  18. Big MAK

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    How can you expect to have chemistry after they have only played in a dozen or so games together, not to mention that the games they played are sporadic, not 1 game after another. Right now, the injuries are a bigger deal than the chemistry. Until they play a good month and a half straight together, I wouldn’t worry about chemistry. If after a month and a half of straight games and still no chemistry, then that would become a concern.
     
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    Can't build chemistry when you don't have a consistent line-up.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    They had one earlier this year when Battier was out, still not chemistry.

    To me, they don't fit, unless one of them drastically changes their own games.

    I think Artest should be moved......he has an expiring deal - use it.

    DD
     

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