Is this supposed to make some sort of sense relative to my comments? Is your list of the great wrongs that the Israelis can fix to live in coexistance with the Palestinians? If so, I don't really know what to say.
UN headquarters in Gaza struck by Israeli shells http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians I wonder what Israel's apologists have to say about this.
They will send condolenses to the lost lives and continue with their offense. This is not the first time this happends, remmember QANA?
Not only the 1996 Qana incident, but they did it in their most recent conflict with Lebanon. They did it in the 2006 conflict as well. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5215366.stm It's becoming a pattern.
Except the difference is the west helped rebuild those places, instead of occupying them and actively working to hinder their economies for decades. I'm sure if we did that, Germany and Japan *would* hate the US. In fact, that's partially why WWII occurred after WWI, when Germany was basically let to rot.
Let the truth be told: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8eUSl3x2M48&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8eUSl3x2M48&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Make sure to check out the responses this video gets on youtube. Here's a the cherry on top: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RI1q3etFX2k&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RI1q3etFX2k&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
That looks pretty horrific. I can't figure out when it was filmed. And I've seen no mention of it in the media, outside of some websites that link to the video. I wonder if it was really a response to mere music/dancing, or if it was politically motivated. Hamas has used violence against Fatah public gatherings since their takeover. This could be one of those instances.
The media agencies here will never mention the truth, i recommend you guys to watch Press TV if you want to see the truth with your naked eyes, they are not biased even a bit. From all the things I've seen Israel do, this is the worst. A shame that we pay so much taxes just to kill innocent women and children. The UN building gets bombed, everything on fire, and UN can't do anything. What a big shame. Shame on you Israel.
They also won't mention that Hamas is using women and children as human shields. And that rockets are being launched from/near hospitals/schools/UN buildings. Hamas is winning the PR battle. Mistakes happen, and any loss of civilian life is a tragedy, let alone when it is a mistake. But this has escalated into a war and I stand by Israel's decisions to protect itself from terrorists. I have to assume Israel knows full well that for every innocent life they take by accident, it has potential to create x amount more hate by relatives/friends etc. For anyone, not the poster I am replying to, who dares compare what Israel is doing to protect themselves to the Holocaust, you really should do more research. Look at all the thread titles in the D&D, its sickening.
' How many times is an Israeli supporter going to use this line. If a criminal takes a kid hostage is a cop going to shoot a kid to get to the criminal. Have some common decency.Tthere are a lot of innocent people dying. Instead of stopping terrorism, they are just creating more terrorist. I can't believe my tax dollars are going toward this.
How many times will anti-israel supporters blame Israel for Hamas' indecency? If the same criminals continue to take women/children hostage, and continues to shoot at the cops, yes the police would end up firing back eventually and unfortunately every so often innocent lives would be in the cross fire.
Israel can not say that it is trying everything to eliminate civilian casualties. If that were true they wouldn't be using cluster bombs, and phosphorus bombs. They wouldn't bomb a UN post every time there is major conflict. They've done that three times. How many mistakes are they allowed to make, before they are held accountable?
Would the police fire back with cluster bombs, and phosphorus weapons? Would the police have 3 different hostage situations and three times "accidentally" blow up impartial obvservers that are clearly marked?
Israel can not be trusted to make rational decisions, if it is attempting to "protect" itself using methods that "creates 100x more hate". And when Israel is killing orders of magnitude more civilians than the other side, it ceases to be a "mistake". Stop being an apologist for overt aggression and state violence. Israel is no more justified in its bombardment of Gaza than Hamas and other militant factions are when they launch their rockets into Israel. Israel has control of airspace and sophisticated targeting systems, so they can always use the convenient excuse "Well, we are targeting their political leadership, not actual civilians". All the while knowingly and willfully destroying more innocent lives. The goals are the same. To use violence and intimidation as an act of strength and to gain more leverage in the conflict. It is wrong, and should be condemned on both sides.
This is what I truly find odd. You concede that this course of action doesn't achieve the intended end result, yet you still support the action. Why? Is it simply the satisfaction of seeing some "retaliatory" efforts? (I put 'retaliatory' in quotes for the sake of theoretical discussion as it's been well established now that Israel broke the cease-fire first.)
