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Obama Going to End Don't Ask/Don't Tell Military Policy

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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Obama to end military's ban on homosexuals, spokesman says'
    By MATTHEW B. STANNARD San Francisco Chronicle
    Jan. 14, 2009, 4:47AM

    President Obama will end the 15-year-old "don't ask, don't tell" policy that has prevented homosexual and bisexual men and women from serving openly within the U.S. military, a spokesman for the president-elect said.

    Obama said during the campaign that he opposed the policy, but since his election in November has made statements that have been interpreted as backpedaling. On Friday, however, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs, responding on the transition team's Web site to a Michigan resident who asked if the new administration planned to get rid of the policy, said:

    "You don't hear politicians give a one-word answer much. But it's 'Yes'."

    The little-noticed response, made in a video posted on change.gov, made barely a ripple outside blogs focused on the gay community, but that's not surprising, said those who have been pushing to overturn the ban. Not only was Obama's position expected, they said, but support for reviewing or repealing the policy has grown markedly in recent years, including from some unexpected quarters.

    The end of "don't ask, don't tell" may not happen immediately, several critics of the policy said. Although they appreciate clarity from Obama on the issue, they anticipate that the demands of the economy and two wars are likely to trump a speedy policy reversal.

    "The question isn't if we do it and the question isn't when we do it, it's how we do it," said Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Walnut Creek, whose 2006 bill to repeal the ban earned broad support among Democrats in Congress but did not move forward in the face of a near-certain veto by President Bush.

    "I'm going to reintroduce the bill in the next few weeks," Tauscher said. "We've got the American people behind us."

    An ABC poll in July found that three quarters of Americans supported allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military compared to 44 percent of Americans who expressed the same support in 1993, when President Clinton approved "don't ask, don't tell," as what he called an "honorable compromise" that nevertheless bitterly disappointed his supporters in the gay community.

    Former Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell and former Sen. Sam Nunn, D-Ga., who both backed the 1993 policy, recently have called for it to be reevaluated. John Shalikashvili, who followed Powell as chairman, has called for its repeal, as has former Georgia Republican Rep. Bob Barr, an opponent of gay rights and legal protections. In an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal, Barr disparaged the policy for wasting money and talent.

    The current leaders of the military, secretary of Defense Robert Gates and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Michael Mullen, have neither supported nor opposed ending the policy in recent comments, saying pointedly that Congress and the president make the laws. The military follows them.

    Recently, the main active supporters of "don't ask, don't tell" have come from the nonprofit Center for Military Readiness, whose founder, Elaine Donnelly and other officers did not respond to requests for comment.

    Donnelly has argued that ending the ban on gays serving openly in the military would devastate unit cohesion and morale by ordering heterosexual troops into "forced cohabitation" with openly gay and lesbian troops. But critics of the policy say society has changed since "don't ask, don't tell" was implemented to address similar concerns.

    "We had a decade in the 1990s where people came out, and people came to know that their sisters and their mothers and their colleagues and their children and their friends were gay," said Nathaniel Frank, a senior research fellow with the Palm Center at UC Santa Barbara, which conducts research on sexual minorities in the military.

    "Familiarity breeds tolerance, and even acceptance."

    More recent years have seen the high-profile discharge of gay Arabic linguists and other troops whose military jobs were deemed essential in Iraq, Afghanistan and the "war on terror" -- dismissals that struck many people as inexplicable, said sociologist Melissa Embser-Herbert, author of The U.S. Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy: A Reference Handbook.

    "We know of gay, lesbian, bisexual veterans who have served in combat theater, and I think that's also a big piece of it," she said. "It's a much harder sell to the general public that that person who died or lost a leg didn't deserve to be serving their country."

    The military has also experienced a shift in attitudes, according to a number of studies. A 2006 Zogby International poll found military members who had served in Iraq or Afghanistan to be split on the issue, with about a quarter saying gays should be able to serve openly and about a third saying they should not.

    But about a quarter of respondents said they knew a gay person already serving in the military, and a large majority of those — two thirds — said the presence of a gay person in their unit made no impact on their personal or their unit's morale. Three quarters said they would have joined the military even if gays were permitted to serve openly.

    A more recent, if unscientific, readership survey by the Military Times group of newspapers reported that about 58 percent of active-duty respondents opposed repealing the ban, a number that was cited in some media accounts as reflecting broad military opposition to a change.

    But the newspapers that conducted the poll warned that their readers were not a perfect mirror of the military--they were more likely to be older, male, careerists, officers and politically conservative. In that context, Embser-Herbert said, it is remarkable that the level of opposition was not higher, since it is the younger, enlisted troops who are more likely to favor allowing gays to serve openly.

    "It's the 'Will and Grace' generation," she said. "They've grown up seeing gay people on TV and having friends in 10th grade come out."

    In the 1980s, when John Caldera was a Navy hospital corpsman, "don't ask, don't tell" was not yet policy but was practice. Caldera, a gay man now a member of the San Francisco Veterans Commission, recalled how sailors diagnosed with HIV were sequestered to a ward to await the inevitable investigation of their presumed homosexuality and likely discharge.

    "The policy ... should have never been created," he said. "With this new administration I look for the light at the end of the tunnel."

    Today, Caldera is one of several gay veterans in District 8 of the American Legion whose commander, Michael Gerold, a veteran wounded in combat in Afghanistan, appointed an openly gay veteran, as district finance officer, without hesitation.

    "He's an Iraq-Afghanistan veteran. It's just not an issue. Core competencies and leadership, that's what I need," he said. "I don't give a darn about the rest."

    Another legion officer, Matt Shea, recalled deploying to Iraq with a friend and fellow squad leader who later came out to him.

    "It's about competence, about being able to do your job. He was a better leader than most, took care of his guys better than most I'd seen," said Shea. "Who ... cares? Seriously."
     
  2. weslinder

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    "Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar. You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater

    Seriously though, this is a good move in principle, but it's going to affect about a half-dozen recruits a year.
     
  3. Apollo Creed

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    Please change your thread title to: "A new kind of politics: yes homo"
     
  4. Deckard

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    Great quote from Goldwater. I think it's the right move by Obama and will help foster equality in the services.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    and won't hurt his backing in the Gay Community either
    [considering some other thread where they were reportedly mad at him]

    Rocket River
     
  6. pgabriel

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    its really interesting to read the comments on the chronicle web site on this article.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I wonder if basso still feels there's no difference on the issue of gay rights between Bush, and Obama.

    It's a step in the right direction.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    One could even say it's a new kind of politics.
     
  9. weslinder

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    Doesn't this just take an executive order? If I were Bush, I'd quietly change the policy before I left office. That would be the easiest way to do it, with an executive order that would go months without being noticed by the media.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    Okay. But every time I read "serve openly" (which was a lot with this article), it made me wince a little at the sentence structure. None of the soldiers were keeping their service a secret. I understand it's probably easier to say than "be gay openly" or whatever would be a truer composition.
     
  11. Major

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    How do you get that? The military has several hundred thousand members, right? That means they are probably recruiting tens of thousands every year. Assuming about 1% are gay (average % within the population), that's hundreds every year. Not only that, but ignores the likely thousands that are in the military now but having to hide it.

    I wonder which is more important though. An actual policy change that affects the gay community, or whether the pastor at the inauguration is against gay rights or not (despite it not being a topic of the speech).
     
  12. Invisible Fan

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    That made my day. :D
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The policy was enacted in 1993 while Clinton was president and stayed the same throughout the remaining 7 years of his presidency. Does that mean there is a difference in gay rights between Clinton and Obama?
     
  14. pgabriel

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    no, it means there's a difference between 16 years, but regardless that post was basso specific

    clinton wanted to open the military up to gays, this was a compromise with the right.
     
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    Not really sure about this. It was the right thing to do, but how many gays will actually join, and how many will come out of the closet? I'm sure there are plenty of gay/bi men in the military that will continue to hide it. Most bi-men hide it in regular society.

    I think it will be like in major sports, where players are afraid to come out during their playing days.

    Obama did the right thing here. This will test exactly how far our society has come in terms of accepting others differences.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    This will go to vote but compromise is nothing gets passed till pentagon turns in review of repealing policy
     
  17. basso

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    The end of "don't ask, don't tell" may not happen immediately...

    you don't say.

    he said exactly the same thing during the campaign. i'll believe it when i see it.

    and to be clear, obama won't have ended DADT, congress will have, if and when they do.
     
  18. Batman Jones

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    You happily and proudly voted for Bush twice. You don't have any business talking about gay rights.
     
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    Obama could end the discharges right now. this is ridiculous.
     

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