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Democracy in Israel

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, Jan 12, 2009.

  1. Franchise2001

    Franchise2001 Contributing Member

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    You know, in my short lifetime, I have only had bad experiences with Orthodox Jews (I'm also jewish). There have been countless times where I have been unwelcome and shunned. I don't agree with their stances and treatment of women among other things.

    Please continue to bang jewish girls with no reservations... they deserve it ;)
     
  2. Kwame

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    Like I've said before not much of a difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel, and Archibishop Desmon Tutu agrees. They're both racist regimes. If you were against racism in one, you should be against the policies and practices of the other. Then again, the US did support the racist regime of South Africa as well.
     
  3. Ari

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    I think they are the ones responsible for holding Israel hostage on key issues in the peace process, and that includes the ultra-Orthodox in America as well and ESPECIALLY the settlement happy so called Christian Zionists who want to make sure Jews live between the Nile to the Euphrates before Jesus comes back and wipes them out (or something to that effect)

    Nah, I have only been with one so far, and needless to say she was not very religious so we hit it off ;) My Jewish female friends really have a thing for spoiled, rich Arab guys who drive around in Benzes (I do not have a Benz so I am at a natural disadvantage with the gold diggers :( ) so I try to hook them up.

    I am crazy about the Lebanese femmes, not only are they beautiful but they also know how to treat a guy man. The problem is they like to bang hot White dudes (that would be me) but when they wanna get serious they hook up with a Lebanese guy who is barely into his 30's and has a seven digit savings account (those damn Lebanese entrepreneurs!)

    Now if I can just convince one of them to marry me one of these days :eek:
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    That statement is completely accurate, except for the little fact that in South Africa blacks were stripped of citizenship, while in Israel Arabs enjoy full citizenship rights.

    Just a little tiny fact though, don't let that get in the way. Far be it from me to contradict Desmond Tutu.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    That sounds like excellent advice that I shall continue to follow. :D
     
  6. Kwame

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    Sure, Israeli Arabs have "full citizenship rights" just like blacks had full citzenship rights historically in America. Lol...It's ridiculous how far supporters of Israel will go to defend this racist regime, but the same was true for supporters of apartheid South Africa. No matter what, I'll definitely take Tutu's word over yours anyday since he lived through it.
     
  7. eckostylez

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    As much as it bothers me, I hate broad generalizations:
    http://www.nkusa.org/ - NK is pretty big
    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
     
  8. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    From what I've read here, the impression I'm getting is that Israel owns America now.

    If Iraq had declared itself a democracy but chose who could and couldn't run, would that have been ok?
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Your talking about two different things. Israeli Arabs are different than Palestinians. Israeli Arabs do suffer racism, and if they are being prevented from running from elected office, they don't enjoy full citizenship rights.

    But even that isn't the Apartheid system that Bishop Tutu is talking about. The Apartheid system is put in place against the Palestinians who aren't allowed to have businesses that compete against Israeli businesses, previously haven't even been allowed to dig any new water wells, while Israel slant drilled and stole their water from existing wells. Palestinians were charged a different price for utilities than Israeli settlers, etc.

    If you think that's fair and was put in place to help Israel's security, think again.
     
  10. Kwame

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    Israel's Olmert: Rice embarrassed over UN vote
    By JASON KEYSER – 14 hours ago

    JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel's prime minister said Monday that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was embarrassed by orders to abstain from voting last week on a U.N. truce resolution for Gaza that she helped arrange.

    Israel had argued that the Security Council measure calling for a halt to the Gaza fighting — which passed Thursday in a 14-0 vote with the U.S. abstaining — was unworkable because it did not guarantee Israel's security.

    Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said he called President George W. Bush to seek an abstention from the U.S., a key Israeli ally at the United Nations.

    "I said: 'Get me President Bush on the phone,'" Olmert said in a speech in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon. "They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn't care: 'I need to talk to him now.' He got off the podium and spoke to me."

    Olmert said he argued that the United States should not vote in favor, and the president then called Rice and told her not to do so.

    "She was left pretty embarrassed," Olmert said.

    A senior U.S. official in Washington disputed the account.

    "The plan had been all along, as agreed by the secretary and the president, that if all of the pieces fell into place, we would abstain," the official said on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.

    "The government of Israel does not make policy for the United States," the official added.

    The approved resolution called for "an immediate, durable and fully respected cease-fire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza."

    Rice said later that the United States "fully supports" the resolution but abstained because it "thought it important to see the outcomes of the Egyptian mediation," referring to an Egyptian-French initiative aimed at achieving a cease-fire.

    Still, Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki said he was surprised by the U.S. abstention.

    "We were told that the Americans were going to vote in favor," he said Friday, a day after the vote.

    But when Rice came in to the Security Council chamber, she informed the Saudi foreign minister with an apology that she would abstain and would clarify later that the U.S. supported the resolution nonetheless, according to Malki.

    "What happened in the last 10 or 15 minutes, what kind of pressure she received, from whom, this is really something that maybe we will know about later," he said.

    AP writer Matthew Lee in Washington and Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations contributed to this report.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5io9XZ9Q2K-ecPedzXG-C205dOAjwD95LSUK80
     
  11. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Have you heard of France? Last I heard, Muslim women were not allowed to wear their traditional head scarves in public in France. I'm sure they would like to protest, but I believe France is also the country where Muslims are deported for protesting (even peacefully) even if they were born and raised in France.
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    Of course France also has similar restrictions on wearing crosses, wearing yarmulkes and other religious symbols.
     
  13. insane man

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    im still waiting on the list of many muslim countries that otto claims apparently ban this and require citizens who are not muslim to pay extra taxes.
     
  14. Deji McGever

    Deji McGever יליד טקסני

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    Um...yes. In Public Schools.

    It's all about the Laïcité

    If I was of any religious persuasion and wanted to send my kids to a public school, France would not be high on my list of places to raise them. That's part of the culture, all fair arguments aside. I wouldn't expect an Islamic country to accommodate the right of young secular French girls to sunbathe topless, either.
     
  15. wnes

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    Not sure I'd single out Islamic countries in this regard. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to note female topless sunbathing in public places is prohibited in many other other non-Islamic countries as well. In the latest news, there are urges to ban topless sunbathing in Australia.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-sunbathing-urged-for-Australian-beaches.html
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    PLEASE AUSSIES DON'T DO THIS! ;)

    I've been to topless beaches and it seemed like a big deal for about the first half hour. After that it was no big deal.
     
  17. Deji McGever

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    That's awful. Israel may teeter on the brink of both authoritarianism or theocracy, but until then, at least the society is free enough to permit open containers and topless sunbathing.
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    Does the head scarf ban extend to any public wearing of the Hijab or just public schools?
     
  19. Ari

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    Again, I am a pretty staunch secularist and do prefer secular values (however warped) over religious ones. However, I would not go as far as equating a woman wearing a headscarf to cover her hair to a woman walking down the street while being topless. The latter is public indecency pretty much anywhere in the world, Islamic or not.

    There are still Christian and Jewish women who wear headscarves today, and I do not think any of them would equate a headscarf with public nudity. I understand you are trying to make a point here, but that is a really bad comparison.

    I should also mention that some Muslim states have a similar ban on headscarves in public venues, Tunisia and Turkey do come to mind.
     
  20. thacabbage

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    Umm...Arabs living within Israel proper (aka the 'Israeli Arabs' you clearly have no concept of) are not the same as those living in Gaza and the West Bank.

    The fact that you couldn't make this distinction, hopefully not for geographical reasons, makes your previous comments in this thread and on this topic appear even more absurd.
     
    #60 thacabbage, Jan 13, 2009
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