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From managment's perspective, this team won't make radical change until 2010

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by littlefish_220, Jan 12, 2009.

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  1. littlefish_220

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    First of all, the performance so far this season is not satisfactory, but the team is not tanking and we are still at top 8. Considering a long-strech of 30% Atest to begin the season followed by an on-and-off mode, a 30% or worse Tmac, and 10+ games of absence on Shane, the record is OK. We have a much better Brooks and in my opinion a slightly better Landry comparing to last year, thus the supporting cast is stronger.

    People are questioning if and how much Tmac will get better. I think he won't be 100% any longer, but he can be 70-80% if he accepts it and deals with it. If Tmac comes back 70-80% and accepts his role, this team has a very good chance to pass first round and a fair chance to go farther. It is not enough for fans, but maybe ok for managment.

    Secondly, it is obvious a mid-season trade can't get back anything close to Tmac's value. This summer could be an option, but 2010 is with much more and much better choices. Yao/Tmac combo is a failed product so far, but still you can find some excuses on injury, bad luck, and weak supporting cast. For the first time since they come together, rockets had a chance to prove itself in 2007. Unfortunately Yao fell down. This year, from our lineup, rockets is better, and with no reason Rockets won't try it again.

    Fans actually are more emotional and more involved with near-term fluctuations. Managment, on the other side, has to think hard about long-term future and money issue. Except for recent rumors, rockets have a good reputation on locker room chemistry, and both Yao and Tmac are definitely not very selfish and intrusive persons. Bad performance always produces some noises, but they can be erased quickly with the pickup of winning record.

    My prediction is like this,
    1. This year is the last year Rockets will give out to test Tmac. They will see how health he could be, how much is left in his body, and if he is willing to adjust himeself and/or make some scraficies for the purpose of team. If he fails the test, they will try to move him this summer, but they won't make a big compromise either. If there is a deal like Billup + Prince, rockets are very likely to go after it for this time. But if this is none of such, they would rather wait for one more year, even at the cost of team's winning chance, until 2010 to release him to clear the space.

    2. Rockets will give a little bit more time to Yao, most likely 2 years until 2010. Samely, Yao will give the team two years to test from his perspective. Rockets will try to see
    a) Can Yao stays relatively healthy for the coming 2 years? If he is too fragile, they may think about moving him.
    b) Could Yao be a franchise player? Or is he qualified as No. 1 option for a contender team. If the answer is yes, they will try to compliment with all role players they can find out. If answer is no, they will try to see if they can find a No. 1 choice in 2010 (assuming Tmac failes test too) such as LBJ or Wade. If the team thinks they have no chance to load players like Wade/LBJ, they are likely to release Yao and try to attract 2 big contracts for an overhaul.

    3. Money does talk, but don't think Yao's business value has no correlation to his performance. You have players from China before and after in Wang and Yi, both of whom can't attract attention equal to Yao because of their on-court performance. So if Rocket's judgment is that Yao will decline big afte 2010 and the existence of Yao won't give the team a good chance to contend, they will give him up at his prime time (30?).

    This is only one scenario that Rockets must push for a quick trade soon, which would be that Yao or Tmac demands a change that the team can't satisfy or either of them demands a trade. IMO, that would be low-probability event.
     
    #1 littlefish_220, Jan 12, 2009
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    DaDakota Balance wins
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    #2 DaDakota, Jan 12, 2009
  3. LabMouse

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    You just resign him with low wage (if he still play), and use another part to get a good player, I do not think you can trade him, and get a better deal if he is not a good player by then. Maybe, we can, you never know.

    "So if Rocket's judgment is that Yao will decline big afte 2010 and the existence of Yao won't give the team a good chance to contend, they will give him up at his prime time (30?)."
     
    #3 LabMouse, Jan 12, 2009
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    wow man, for the most part nothing like your thread. but yeah get off your Pedal Stool (my friend got a text from a guy that liked her last night and will not go out on a date with him, that was his retort, going to start using that)

    :) :) :) :rolleyes:
     
    #4 peleincubus, Jan 12, 2009
  5. Spacemoth

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    That's funny. I would be scared of using it though, it might not register on enough peoples' sarcasm meters and they would just think you're dumb and then you would have to explain the entire background and then it would not have been worth the trouble.
     
    #5 Spacemoth, Jan 12, 2009
  6. redao

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    As long as Yao is the best Chinese player in NBA, Les will keep him.

    Also, Yao is clearly not a franchise player.

    There is only one thing to consider: How to bring in a franchise player.
     
    #6 redao, Jan 12, 2009
  7. DaDakota

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    The Pistons won without a Franchise player...sometimes having a lot of good players is enough.

    Heck Sacremento probably wins one if the Refs didn't screw them over too.

    DD
     
    #7 DaDakota, Jan 12, 2009
  8. ibm

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    qft. qft.
     
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    What's your definition of Franchise player? Best in NBA since there is only one championship or top 30 in NBA Since there are 30 teams?
     
    #9 choujie, Jan 12, 2009
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    As long as Yao can walk and play a decent number of games- he is never leaving. Les will do the same thing all of us do- do whats best for your wallet.
     
    #10 DreamRoxCoogFan, Jan 12, 2009
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    Rockets need a winner to be their franchise player.

    A winner can give you consistent effort, intensity and leadership besides a pretty stats. A winner is someone playing better in big games, clutch times and difficult times.

    Wade would be my No.1 target.
     
    #11 redao, Jan 12, 2009
  12. ibm

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    is kg a "winner" before going to baston? he days in minny fit all the descriptions you gave.
     
    #12 ibm, Jan 12, 2009
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    What is your definition of winner? Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen were all considered losers before they played together. Now all of a sudden they are winners.

    In this era, total talent of a team is the deciding factor. Nobody can do it alone. Not even Lebron or Kobe. They need losers in Mo Willams and Paul Gasol.
     
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    KG is a huge winner in my book.
     
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    that's a strange discussion.

    I said we need a franchise player, I did not say anything that we should get rid of all "losers" to play one on five basketball.

    the bottom line is: we need a better franchise player (than Yao and TMAC) and build from there.
     
    #15 redao, Jan 12, 2009
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    Another strange question: How many guys better than Yao and Tmac are available in NBA now?
     
    #16 choujie, Jan 12, 2009
  17. ibm

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    really? a winner has to win something, by default. agree? what did he win before going to boston? yeah he went to the wcf once - with the surge and leadership of spree and sammy, and with the luck of chris webber going down in midst of the playoffs (the start of the downturn of adelman's career in sacto).
     
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  18. redao

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    Achievements

    During his time in the league Garnett has established a long list of achievements, including:[1]

    * NBA Champion: 2008
    * NBA Most Valuable Player: 2004
    * NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 2008
    * USA Olympics: Gold Medal: 2000
    * NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2003
    * 11-time NBA All-Star: 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
    * 9-time All-NBA:

    * First Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2008
    * Second Team: 2001, 2002, 2005
    * Third Team: 1999, 2007

    * 9-time All-Defensive:

    * First Team: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2008
    * Second Team: 2006, 2007

    * NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1996
    * 4-time NBA regular-season leader, rebounds per game: 2004 (13.9), 2005 (13.5), 2006 (12.7), 2007 (12.8)
    * 2-time NBA regular-season leader, rebounds: 2004 (1,139), 2005 (1,108)
    * 5-time NBA regular-season leader, defensive rebounds: 2003 (858), 2004 (894), 2005 (861), 2006 (752), 2007 (792)
    * NBA regular-season leader, points: 2004 (1,987)
    * NBA regular-season leader, field goals made: 2004 (804)
    * J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award: 2006
    * Career triple-doubles (regular season): 17 (as of March 4, 2007)[39]
    * Career triple-doubles (post-season): 3 (as of 2006)
    * Only player in NBA history to:

    * average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists per game for 6 consecutive seasons. (1999–2005)
    * average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 4 assists per game for 9 consecutive seasons. (1998–2007)
    * reach at least 20,000 points, 11,000 rebounds, 4,000 assists, 1,200 steals, and 1,500 blocks in his playing career.

    * Holds Minnesota Timberwolves franchise record for most points in one game with 47 vs. the Phoenix Suns on January 4, 2005.
    * Holds Minnesota Timberwolves franchise career records for points, 19,041; rebounds, 10,542; assists, 4,146; blocked shots, 1,576; steals, 1,282; and games played, 927.
    * Ranked #70 on SLAM Magazine's Top 75 NBA Players of All Time in 2003.
    * Achieved 10,000 total rebounds in his career on January 13, 2007.
    * Career stats (regular season): 998 games, 20.4 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.6 bpg, 1.4 spg, .494 FG%, .284 3P%, .781 FT%
    * Career stats (post-season): 73 games, 21.6 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.6 bpg, 1.3 spg, .470 FG%, .318 3P%, .776 FT%
     
    #18 redao, Jan 12, 2009
  19. ibm

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    k. fine with me and that's your opinion you're entitled to.

    so mcgrady is also a "winner" then? you know, with the 2 scoring titles, all the allstar selections and all-nba teams, plus his stat lines, etc. logically you have to agree with this one.

    ??
     
    #19 ibm, Jan 12, 2009
  20. redao

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    TMAC:
    NBA career achievements:

    * 2-time NBA scoring leader: 2003 (32.1), 2004 (28.0)
    * 7-time NBA All-Star: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
    * 7-time All-NBA:
    * First Team: 2002, 2003
    * Second Team: 2001, 2004, 2007
    * Third Team: 2005, 2008
    * NBA Most Improved Player Award: 2001

    that was kind of short but still damn good ..... 5 years ago...

    and then we come to TMAC's heart, intensity, leadership....

    TMAC is a loser.
     
    #20 redao, Jan 12, 2009
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