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Can the team win a championship without T-Mac?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by redwhiteone, Jan 9, 2009.

  1. jump shooter

    jump shooter Member

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    Good point. I"m very flummoxed as to why teams don't front Yao all the time, it blows me away that coaches are paid millions and can' see it. Yao almost becomes inept when oppossing teams front him.
     
  2. HeyDude

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    Can't agree with you here. TMAC, when healthy, makes players around him better. Can't say the same about Artest. Yao, at times, but do you trust him with the ball in a close playoff game? I wont. Thus, answer is, without a doubt, no, we can't win a championsihp w/o TMAC. (not defending him or his antics here, just answering the question of this thread).
     
  3. ReD_1

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    Imagine if Lakers were losing and saying all we need is some scoring PG, tall backup C and some good three pt shooter.

    That's stupid, there hasn't been a team that's perfect on every position, we just have to add some All-Star caliber PG and that we would be perfect?

    You have what you have, play with it!
     
  4. efly

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    well, can the team win a championship with T-Mac?
     
  5. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    A healthy Mcgrady yes.
     
  6. badgerfan

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    Not this year.
     
  7. deeperblue

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    Let's see who is right. You are just day-dreaming that a fast declining and a heartless T-Mac can bring you a champaignship.

     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I agree, that is why I said they are different.....with Tmac they are better offensively, but with Artest they are better defensively.

    It sort of evens out. IMO.

    And I trust Brooks to have the ball at the end this year.....so yes, they can win a championship without TMac...especially if they got some decent pieces in return in a trade.

    DD
     
  9. deeperblue

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    I agree. I think a top PG is more important for a top swing man for this team, unless that top swing man is KB or LBJ.

     
  10. deeperblue

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    There is not going to be a healthy T-Mac, I mean, healthy both physically and mentally, for the whole season, and also remember, he has to be willing to play hard on both ends for whole season. None of them is remotely likely.


     
  11. Laoyi

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    The team can win a championship without T-Mac but cannot win one with him!
     
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    With or without TMac this is not a championship team!!

    It is a stupid premise to begin with.

    Show that we can consistently win games over weakest teams of the league before you get any notions of championship. Show that we are safely seeded in a playoff spot before you talk about championship.

    This is a borderline playoff team. No more. No less.
     
  14. Dave_78

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    This team can't win with or without Tmac unless the "without Tmac" part was because he was traded for a borderline or legit All-Star player who just happened to be clutch (think Chauncey Billups 3-4 years ago). That situation is highly, highly unlikely as well all know.

    I really thought the Rockets had a shot at Championship contention this season but with key players (Shane, Ron) hobbled for what appears to be the whole season and McGrady showing us that he is, without a doubt, the softest "star" player in the league I just can't see it happening. McGrady has been exposed. He showed everyone he can't make it through adversity and even with all the talent on this squad clicking in the playoffs it will still be a long, hard, painful grind to win a Championship. He simply can't stand that type of heat.

    That's why I would rather sit him and let the current group of guys do what they can (at least they compete) until McGrady's salary falls off the books and a real superstar can be pursued to try to win a title with this team before Yao's career is over.
     
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    u don't think the team (and tracy) faced more adversity last season? nobody even gave them a chance after yao went down and tracy played with 2 injuries the rest of the season.

    he's just mentally trying to deal with the frustration of his inconsistent play. eventually he'll deal with it.
     
  16. shioew

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    Dun know if the team can win a championship without T-Mac?
    BUT... I pretty sure that, the team CANNOT win with "CURRENT" T-MAc
     
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    I think the more important question is Can the Rockets Win a Championship WITH TMac?

    I have no confidence in TMac at all. Every time he touches the ball now I hold my breath because I think the inevitable is a long shot from behind the arc that klanks off of the back of the rim.

    I don't think the Rockets CAN win a championship with McGrady. If he has any trade value left at all the Rockets need to explore unloading him. I am still all for sending him to Chicago but I don't know if they still want him.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Tmac needs more shots, remember?

    Never mind that the team has better shot distribution and effort without him.

    The team is playing better with Wafer at the SG than with Tmac.

    They can not go on with a cancerous ME FIRST superstar on the team.

    11 years in the league 7 first round exits.....good bye....Grady.

    DD
     
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    I don't think they can win with or without T-Mac at this point. The real question to me is do they play better with or without T-Mac?
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    a. They play harder without Tmac

    b. They play softer with Tmac

    c. They are better with a motivated Tmac

    Unfortuntatly, A, is the only one that the team can count on....as C is not happening....and B is happening far too often.

    DD
     

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