i was not impressed with him either. like i said earlier in the thread i think he is a top notch college player but he doesn't strike me as an amazing pro prospect. ...but percy harvin...that guy is going to be a bad ass at the pro level.
If Vince would have stayed another year at UT, they would have run the table again, won the MNC again, VY would have won the Heisman and just about every other award he was eligible for. He would have gone down as arguably THE greatest college football player in history.
Last night was the first time a few of you saw Tebow play. Fine. And I don't make any excuses for his poor play in that game (particularly the first half). But it is not indicative of his pocket passing ability. That one floater he tossed up is not an average Tebow pass, like some of you make it out to be. He has the 4th highest qb rating this year, and it's not because he's tossing up ducks. He was shooting bulls eyes in the SEC game. By the same token you can say Bradford is an average qb because of last night's performance. I'm not trying to argue that he will be a NFL career qb. But he is a really good pocket passing NCAA qb. He's been doing it all last season and this season.
I didn't say VY wasn't a college legend. I suppose one might infer the OP was ignoring all but college play. I didn't. I didn't separate possibility of further accomplishments after College Football when I interpreted the title. I later made my point/choice regarding the OP in response to you and Swoly... and it did note Tebow's lack of further experience to this point. If you want me to post who I think is a bigger COLLEGE football legend than VY, I can do that too... but I think you just wanted clarification that if VY wasn't a legend in my eyes and in that respect, then who would be? Glad we cleared that up. Since I wasn't saying that, I'll forgo making that list.
Noooooooooooooooooo j/k LOL And professorjay, fair enough and that makes sense. But I bet his delivery speed did not suddenly slow down for one night. I'm talking about how long it takes him to get rid of the ball (as opposed to the actual zip on the pass).
Vince is already arguably the greatest college football player in history. Staying for his senior year, winning the Heisman, and winning the MNC would remove any argument. Tebow is good, but no Vince.
Tim Tebow passion and work off the field gets him hyped up even more. Both were great players though, it's hard to compare them because two different teams and two different schedules. As far as NC performance goes. VY hands down.
And lets be honest. Tim Tebow should not have gotten the MVP last night. The MVP should have been Percy Harvin.
i don't quite understand this line of thinking. even the people picking tebow seem to agree vince had the better junior year (kind of hard to argue otherwise) and he definitively had the better freshman season. so i'm not sure how winning one of the three years gives him the advantage. when people say body of work, they seem to mean if we give him a second NC and then say he has a heisman and vince doesn't. as if being a 500 yd RB on a championship team gives you the credit for the title when comparing players (does kenny smith get credit for 2 championships in a kenny smith/john starks argument or something?). and as if a bunch of morons voting on the heisman somehow negates the fact that vince was the best player in 2005. stat for stat, win for win, i don't see how tebow is winning. here are their stats in increasing order for their 3 years: vince: 1155 yd passing (6 TD, 7INT), 998 yd rushing 11 TD 1849 yd passing (12 TD, 11 INT), 1079 yd rushing 14 TD (in 12 games) 3036 yd passing (26 TD, 10 INT), 1050 yd rushing 12 TD tebow: 358 yd passing (5 TD, 1 INT), 469 yd rushing 8 TD 2747 yd passing (30 TD, 4 INT), 673 yd rushing 12 TD (in 14 games) 3286 yd passing (32 TD, 6 INT), 895 yd rushing 23 TD so, far less yards in their freshman year, and almost exactly equivalent per game yardage in the other 2 years (since he played 2 extra games in the middle statistical year), even ignoring the extra value rushing yards should get. tebow throws far fewer interceptions (his big advantage on vince) and got to pound in 1 yd TD runs over and over last year to pad his rushing TD's in '07. then in terms of winning, we've got: vince: 6-1, started 7 games 11-1, rose bowl victory 13-0, undefeated national championship (undisputed) tebow: 0-0, didn't start 9-4, capital one bowl loss 13-1, national championship (quite disputed) and it's not like vince just rolled into some USC situation where they never lost even before he got there and just cruised to 30-2. so where is this body of work tebow has on vince?
I am extremely interested to see responses to this. I am very curious as to how people are going to back Tebow in this argument. Most of the things people are saying about Tebow (Great leader, heart of a champion, just doesn't lose) they said about Vince a mere 3 years ago, yet Vince has more impressive statistics to go on top of it. I guess it is a 'what have you done for me lately' attitude combined with Tebow's off the field activities.
+ VY missed the Heisman buzz he should have had. + VY's last 2 pro years have been bad. (not that Tebow will rate as good of pro prospect IMO--he won't have #3 overall pick expectations)
LOL it's pretty clear that this is primarily a Texas based message board. Tebow is clearly the bigger legend. Vince's Sophomore stats were nothing special (12 TDs, 11 INTs). Tebow's Jr year stats were just sick and FAR superior to anything Vince ever did
I don't know how anyone can knock VY in pros. I hasn't been great but he lead a pathetic Titans team within 1 game of the playoffs his rookie season, He led them to the playoffs last season while completing a fair percentage of passes. The only bad stat is that he didn't throw for many touchdowns, but his receivers dropped a fair share of them also. This year he got injured in a game while the Titans were leading. Again he hasn't been Brady but he hasn't been David Carr either.
