we're giving tebow the first national title? those change of pace downs he came in for really helped florida blow out ohio state i guess. tebow's amazing TD/INT ratio for his career and ability to run as a short yardage back and scramble certainly make him an amazing weapon. and he has been a more polished passer earlier than vince. but he also has urban meyer. the guy won at bowling green, he took utah to an undefeated season and got alex smith to be the #1 pick in the nfl. their playcalling and system are amazingly hard to defend. and while tebow plays it well and is his talents make it even better and while he makes big plays, there's no doubt that urban is helping him every step of the way. the number of florida plays that just obviously have the defense fooled is incredible. as SamFisher said, how many passes did tebow throw all night that weren't gimmes? 7 or 8? now vince wasn't the USC game vince in the first half of his career, but people tend to pretend that he sucked for his first year and a half before becoming good. kind of like people act like hakeem wasn't great before 1993 just b/c he was so ri-damn-diculous after 1993. the guy was 2 rushing yards short of a 1000/1000 season his freshman year even though he only played 2/3 of the year. and he was 6-1. then he came back the next year, had 2 terrible games, and then just started wrecking everybody. oh, and he went 11-1 and had one of the best rose bowls ever. and then he came back to lead one of the greatest offenses ever, went undefeated (losing to ole miss at home isn't happening to vince), and then put on the best big game performance that just about anybody has ever seen. and he did it while essentially transforming the entire culture of UT football, dragging mack and greg davis out of their conservative ways and turning us into an aggressive, confident team that thrived on the big stage, a culture that still seems to exist on the team today. oh, and tim tebow lost 2x as many games last year (4) as vince lost his entire career (2). they're both amazing talents and make their offenses almost impossible to stop, but vince is an even bigger freak IMO and, as much as people say tebow just doesn't lose, vince really didn't lose. as for the NFL, vince ain't exactly off to a great start, but i don't see how tebow is going to excel either. if vince can't run in the nfl, tebow definitely won't be able to as he is not near the athlete and pounding your qb doesn't really fly in the nfl. as far as passing, he might be a little more polished but unless he gets really lucky, he's not going to be on a team with an amazing offensive system. he'll probably get the same cookie-cutter offense everyone gets and tricky little shovel passes and short screens that go for 15 yards won't be happening any more. his throws certainly don't seem to have a lot of zip on them so i'm not sure how that will fly in the NFL. OU sucks.
ou's has been even more worked over this year. 45 to UT, 41 to osu, 28 to freakin' a&m. i'm having a hard time holding bowl opponent defense against vince in this argument. plus, tebow was playing a team that had lost 4 straight bcs games coming in, usc has won their last 6 non-vince bcs games.
USCs defense in 05 was on par with OUs this year. http://www.cfbstats.com/2008/team/522/index.html http://www.cfbstats.com/2005/team/657/index.html VY was just more dominant and made fewer mistakes. I don't think you understand what the word analysis means. What you have is a claim that remains unwarranted by you. If you want to insult people and say they are just blind, you should back it up with something.
The question is "bigger legend", not "better athlete". Even the latter question is somewhat debatable. They have fairly different builds, with Vince having the lanky frame and speed that made him so elusive and difficult to tackle, while Tebow is built more like a linebacker and is much more of a power/between the tackles type of runner than Vince was.
Dude, I just gave Henry Melton a 2005 National Championship cause you said that....had UT won the tiebreak this year and beaten FL - Henry woudl have TWO and be the best player ever. WOOHOO.
I absolutely HATE Tim Tebow. Hate, hate, hate. Not because of anything he has done, but because of statements like this. It is really unfair to the guy, because he does stand for everything we want athletes to be. Why can't we just leave it at that? He is a very good, upstanding football player. Why does he have to be the second coming of Jesus? Tebow is a very good player, yes. But come on. When the announcer during the game made the comment, "That may have been the first thing he's ever done wrong" I damn near lost it. But he just wins. He lost four games last year. FOUR. For everyone saying he has won 2 National Championships, yes, technically that is right. But Chris Leak had just as much to do with the first one (he was the game's MVP after all). But he's so versatile. He is a dual-threat no doubt, but if we are talking about the best ever, shouldn't he at least have the best stats from this season. Colt McCoy out-rushed and out-passed him this season, in one less game. But he's just a great guy. This one I will not try and prove wrong, only to say that there are many more good guys than we think out on the gridiron. I hate to use McCoy again, because now people will just say that I have burnt-orange glasses on, but did anyone see this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L--JF1RCxFQ The announcers and talking heads make it seem like Tebow is the only player ever to pray and do charitable deeds for his community. I think it is awesome that he does, but others who do should be recognized as well. Look, Tebow is a great player/person and I would love to have him on my team. I was rooting for the Gators tonight, and it was nice to see a good guy like him win this. But, really, is he "the best player in the history of college football?" I don't even think he is the best player on his team. I would take Percy Harvin over him any day. Hell, over the last five years alone I would say Vince (don't forget who used to own the "Superman" nickname), Adrian Peterson, and Reggie Bush were all superior talents to Tim. Talented? Absolutely. One of the best players/people in College Football right now? Without a doubt. The best ever? Hardly.
Maybe, but that doesn't mean it's right....though I doubt too many will be saying "Greatest peformance in CFB history" tomorrow AM for whatever that's worth. Tebow is/was a system QB relying on scheming to be effective. And very effective he was. Aside from the obvious silliness of proclaiming that UT's scheme bamboozled their foes - it's pretty apparent that in crunch time, on multiple occasions, on the very biggest stages, the basic gameplans were "Hey let's just give the ball to Vince and let him do whatever the f it is he does cause they can't stop him". I don't recall that happening too much with Tebow. Or Alex Smith for that matter.....
i am a VY fan, and ill try not to be bias here buy VY by a long shot. VY was a one man wrecking crew and he didnt have nearly the weapons Tebow did. And didnt he single handily beat what most experts thought was the best college team EVA?
Tebow is a bigger legend because people have a short term memory and Vince got gyped out of a Heisman (and the media buzz). But Vince was a greater and more dominant college player. He was basically Tebow with 4.5 speed and better and more accurate arm. VY would have easily won the game we just saw, Tebow would not have beat SC. But Tebow is a hell of a competitor and college football player.
VY hands down. tebow is a top notch player but VY was without question one of the most dominant college football players ever. i think the people who vote for tebow are letting VY's horrible pro play influence them. combine that with the fact that tebow won tonight and you have this poll.
Matt Nordgren won a national championship the same way Tim Tebow won his first. You don't think VY is more accurate than Tebow?
Laughable? Vince Young's College Comp. %- 61.8% Tim Tebow's College Comp. %- 66.1% Tebow's is better, but it is not "laughably" better. This is what I am talking about. Judging by the media's constant praise, you would think Tebow was the most accurate passer ever. But he is only 4.3% better than someone that most people remember as having a fairly inaccurate arm. I'm sorry Tim, but the media has made me hate you. Oh one more point I forgot to address above. But he has the heart of a champion, and never quits. If I remember correctly, Tebow has had one... ONE fourth quarter comeback, and it was against 'Bama last month. And he has lost 5 games over the last two years, so don't say he hasn't had opportunities. I hate that I probably am coming off as a douchebag by ripping someone who any father would love to have as his son, and who cannot control how the media view him. But man, I am tired of this best ever crap.
Go watch Young's performances in the Rose Bowls and ask me again. Tebow won one title as the backup QB (although he did have a role on that team). He won a 2nd title over a team that some thought didn't deserve to be in the game. Even if you say OU did belong there, they still had one loss. Lastly, Tebow led his team to a title in his own backyard. And he didn't look as dominating. Young beat an undefeated USC team for his title. He did it in Cali. His team didn't lose a game. He had arguably the greatest college game of all-time while doing it, and his game in the previous Rose Bowl was stellar as well. Young and it's not even close.........
VY completed 65.2% of his passes his junior year for over 3035 yards. It was near 75% against opponents with a winning record, Tebow completed 64.9% this year, his junior's, for 2515 yards. So yes IMO VY was a better passer his NC year than Tebow this year--or at worst "even". Some of Tebow passes look amazingly noodle arm like and fluttering for such a big guy--kind of weird. VY's passes don't look like Sam Bardford's, but still better than Tebow's. Tebow I would give the edge in decision making with throws and protecting the ball, but no, not pure passing ability in the college game. Florida's offense is fairly vertically challenged, even more so than that Texas team. It almost caught up with Florida versus OU and Bama, but their big play ability on runs and short pass did just enough to negate it.
Tebow broke the Heisman sophomore barrier, an important piece of history. Part of 2 national championships. For whatever reason I still have him on the Tommy Frazier, Matt Leinart scale regardless of the accolades. But I think most outside of Texas will say Tebow. A QB's legend doesnt have to do with actual talent and amount of dominance (Major Applewhite, Bucky Richardson)
that sounded funny until i looked up their rushing stats from the two respective championship years. 89 rushes for 469 yards and 8 TD's. 87 rushes for 432 yards and 10 TD's. as far as passing, tebow was 16-21, 281 yards, 2 TD 1 INT in games against central florida and western michigan, games florida won 104-0. against everyone else he was 6-12, 77 yards. so while the rushing was certainly a nice freshman season and 300 yards of mop-up passing duty showed some promise, one will have to forgive me if i don't bow at the altar of that championship season performance. as far as accuracy, tebow has definitely been more accurate over his career and, until tonight, never throws picks. but vince did match him in accuracy his junior season.
