The article mentions mgmt spoke to Grady after Toronto, I wondered if both Grady and Artest were benched for their performances and the injuries were just a good excuse. Purely speculation on my part, but it should of happened if it didn't. Way to go Rafer. Anyone that has a problem with this needs to go to another board becuase the rest of us are tired of watching the crap we've been seeing the last few games. I'm for public beatings, benchings, name calling, anything to get a spark under some of these guys butts.
reread my two posts. you are repeating what i said. this is irrelevant to what I said. My main force was to say chemistry breakdown often happens when things go public, unless a coach controls that...and many coaches ***** that up too. The reason I think Rudy was a great coach is because he could control that. JVG could to. sure, message board posters want to cheer for players calling each other out...that kinda like proves us right, no? bottomline, do you not grasp that what I'm saying is, if indeed, the players start calling each other out then Aldeman has lost control, in DIRECT comparison to Rudy and JVG. I say this, as well, knowing that Yao would never call anyone out, from what we've seen so far. for what that's worth.
Good to hear someone finally saying something but don't view it as Rafer calling out Tracy and Ron. Saturday was just an example on how we should play on a nightly basis. And as shorthanded as we were against the Hawks, we battled but we fought like there was no tomorrow. That's what expected, we'll see what the results are as the season unfolds...
he didnt call anyone out. he just made an opinion on what to expect when ron and mac comes back. im not a big fan of calling out players in front of media. that's a good way of ruining a team. unless of course that's what you want. if you want mac to go ask for a trade, calling him out would be the best idea. the rockets need to bring in someone from outside the org to talk to those guys. like jvg or something. there's a lot of things going on that we're not aware of
So basically your saying Rick Adelman has lost control of this team. A coach can only do so much. It's easy to bash Rick right now while Rudy is off enjoying life and JVG is cracking jokes as a commentator. You make it sound like it was all roses when Rudy T and JVG were coaches. I guess it's easy to forget the past and how much heart ache and hardships we faced when they were coach as well. I guess it's Rick's fault that Yao had that horrible stretch of 2-3 weeks where he looked like absolute garbage. I guess it's RA's fault that Tmac doesn't give 2 sh!ts about his career, fans and organization. The problem is NOT Rick. It's not Rafer either. It's Tmac. Don't get it twisted.
Rudy tried to keep it all in house but it didn't always work out, Barkley and Pippen I believe called each other out under Rudy T, and though I can't recall Dream calling anyone out specifically, he was pretty vocal and you could read what he meant by his comments. JVG was a control freak, I doubt he let the players take a whiz without raising a hand and asking first. I don't mind Alston saying it, I don't mind someone pointing the sticky finger at Tmac for his lack of effort. It is fairly obvious to anyone that he is not trying out there, and the fact that management has had 2 talks with him about "Trying" says it all as to why I want him gone. To me it reads like this: 1. Tmac is dogging it, and it is pissing off the other players. 2. Artest goes off track sometimes when the going is getting tough..... Number 1 is alarming, number 2 can be worked out with trust in his teamates. DD
McGrady doesn't respond to anything. He doesn't care. The guy has absolutely no pride in what he does or does not do on the basketball court. I can only imagine what he says to those close to him about how he feels. All the team can hope for is that he falls out of bed one day and hits his head and forgets he is a gutless underachiever who would still be sleeping on his mother's couch had he not been born with ridiculous athleticism. What a mess. The franchise player does not care at all. The new guy who was supposed to put this team over the top doesn't trust his team mates and goes 1 on 5. The coach spends more times shrugging his shoulders than he does doing his job. The "NBA's best Center" has a game that is still full of holes that should have been corrected in his rookie season. Best of all, the closest thing this team has to a leader is a 32 year old street baller who is "on fire" when he shoots above 40% for a game.
only if you believe a non-leader like Alston actually called out TMac and Artest. Do you believe that?
That's the problem. Number 1 is indeed alarming. Number 2 can be disastrous/detrimental if set off. However, number 2 doesn't happen without number 1. We need to get rid of problem #1 Tmac before things get worse.
1. Yes, Rafer Alston is a vocal and well respected leader in the locker room. 2. Rafer didn't really "call" Ron and T-Mac out, he just said that they also need to bring the effort and intensity, which I thought wasn't too out of place.
Whether he (Alston) called out Tmac or not is a moot point. I do believe Alston is more of a leader than Tmac though. Just because you're not a superstar doesn't mean you can't be a vocal leader or say things to motivate others.
um how did he not call someone out? He said the two guys on the bench saw it and knew what was required of them. There were only two guys on the bench.........
He may not have called them out directly, but does anyone think that him actually talking about this in the media is not a shot across their bow? I mean Rafer has not done this before, why now? He is calling them out, in a nice way. DD
You are right. Aside from Quitten melodrama, there is no doubt Barkley called out players...like the whole cellphones and mpg players in the lockerroom. But you know, it is also a well known fact that Barkley discussed that with Boylen at Kinneally's the night before he went public about the whole SF, Cat and Cato seen in the lockerroom. Go talk to John the owner of Kinneally's about Barkley and Boylen's "meeting." It is also a pretty much a well-known fact that Rudy put Dream in the doghouse on occassion...beginning with the 15-1 start (leading to a 21-2 start) in Barkley's first year (that started with a 30 rebound game), where Dream got injured by a cold drink of water at half-time and missed five games. oh, r e a l l y. come on, DD. Don't argue with us about Rudy's ability to control the lockerroom.
Heypartner.... You hit it right on the spot... Especially, when that player is also one of the main problems on offense.
