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Resigning our Big 3 vs. 2010 free agency vs. Trading our Big 3

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hottoddie, Jan 2, 2009.

  1. Hottoddie

    Hottoddie Member

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    First, let me say that I don't see any chance that the Big 3 will be broken up this year. After all, they were assembled to win us a Championship & are right in the thick of things, even with all the injuries we've had this year. Having said that though, we need to take a hard look at what we're going to do when they reach that final year of their current contracts. Everyone keeps defending their favorite player & not looking at what would be better in the long run for the Houston Rockets. So, I decided to see what our options would be for the future of the Rockets. I've broken it down into 3 topics & a summary of my opinion. I'm sure everyone will have their own opinions & I encourage you to voice them.


    Resigning our Big 3


    Artest - Ron will be the first to become a free agent after this season. He just turned 29 years old & will be 30 just after the start of next season. I've no doubt that he'll be looking for a big payday. His skills are still going strong & his stats haven't shown any significant drop off in the last 3 years, but he's played an average of 55.7 games per year in the 3 previous years (56, 70, 57) & has missed 5 games thus far this year. If we win a Championship this year, do you resign him at 30 years old to make one more run? If so, for how long?

    McGrady - Tracy will be the second one to become a free agent the following year. He's 29 years old & will be turning 31 one month after his contract expires. However, while he's not 30 years old yet, he came straight from high school & he's currently playing in his 12th season & the injuries have been really showing the effects of the many years of pounding he's taken. Given the 4 extra years in the pros, his body would tend to reflect the wear & tear of a 33 year old player (it'll be the equivalent of a 35 year old body when he gets his new contract). When he's healthy, Tracy is one of the most all-around productive players in the game. However, his production in ppg, apg, rpg, & fg% have steadily dropped (albeit, slightly) over the last 3 years (that includes this year). His 3pt% & ft% have spiked this year after declining in the previous 2 years. He's played an average of 61.3 games per year in the 3 previous years (47, 71, 66) & has missed 9 games thus far this year. Do you resign him at 31 (35) years old? If so, for how long?

    Yao - Yao will be the last of the Big 3 to become a free agent. He's 28 years old & will be turning 31 before his next contract. He’s had injury problems the previous 3 years & he has had problems with his feet more than once. This could become a chronic injury if he doesn’t back away from playing basketball year round to give his body the recovery time it needs. If he doesn’t start giving his body a break, his NBA career could be short lived. Yao’s one saving grace is that he’s only played in the physically demanding NBA 6 years prior to this one. While he has played for China for many years, their style of basketball is much softer than the NBA. That might allow him to play at a higher level for several more years, but not if he doesn’t start taking care of himself. His fg% & ppg have declined over the last 3 years while his rpg & bpg have remained consistent. His fg% has returned this year to what it was in his first 3 years. He’s played in an average of 53.3 games per year in the previous 3 years (57, 48, 55) & has missed 1 game thus far this year. Do you resign him at 31 years old? If so, for how long?


    2010 Free Agency


    Everyone is talking about the 2010 free agency class & making plans to have all the cap space they can get their hands on. There are some outstanding free agents that year. But, how many of them will actually go on the open market? With the CBA, a player can make more money by staying with their current team. They could do a sign & trade if their current team can get the right mix of talent & draft picks back in return. But, that would mean gutting the new team of talent which would make them less enticing to the free agent. For all practical purposes, the superstar free agents will resign with their current teams, & for those that do leave, they generally indicate which team they want to go play for well in advance. Thus far, I’ve not heard of any player expressing a desire to join the Houston Rockets. But, a Championship or two could fix that problem.


    Trading our Big 3


    With the likelihood of the major free agents resigning with their current teams, would it be wiser to trade your expiring contracts for young talent & draft picks to those teams that still believe they have a shot at signing Lebron, Kobe, Nowitzki, Yao, etc. etc.?

    With Artest, we could only do a sign & trade & would most likely have to take back an undesirable contract. But, we should be able to pick up a young talent or a draft pick. In other words, if we choose to break them up, Artest would’ve been a one year rental.

    Considering his injuries & the wear & tear on his body, McGrady’s best value could be his expiring contract. We should be able to get some quality young talent & draft picks for him. Maybe some team will pay big to see if he’s got enough left in the tank to make one more title run.

    If Yao starts taking better care of himself, he should be able to play at a high level for a few more years after his current contract expires. Since there is no equal to Yao in the NBA, we should be able to land 2 or 3 good prospects & possibly a draft pick or two.


    Summary


    As I said at the beginning, I don’t see any possible changes to the Big 3 this year. If they win a Championship, I could see them resigning Artest for another run. However, if they don’t, I believe that this group will be dismantled.

    Even though I believe the superstars will resign with their current teams in 2010, there will be some very nice 2nd tier players available. I don’t see the Rockets waiting until then to do something for the future. They’ll snag one of the 2nd tier players only & use the current roster to make some deals before 2010.

    In my opinion, the Rockets will try to resign Artest for 3-5 years with a player option in year 4 & a team option in year 5. They’ll trade McGrady’s expiring contract next year in an attempt to get some talent to put around Yao & Artest, & eventually to replace them. It’s my opinion that if Yao takes care of himself he should get one last max contract for 3-5 years.

    Well, that’s the way I see it playing out. How do you see it playing out?
     
  2. jkckwong

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    Please don't name them as "Big 3" anymore. One is playing with "I don't care anymore" attitude; one is playing hard but in a "soft" manner; and one is playing hard with a sprained ankle and with increasing TOs. They are not that "Big" anymore.
     
  3. TesseracT

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    It won't happen but I want Wade on this team so bad

    I can dream can't I?
     
  4. BrooksBall

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    You obviously don't even think about re-signing Grady.
     
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    Whether or not Tmac gets moved this season will depend entirely upon the Rockets organization's intent in 2010.
     
  6. wtfamonkey

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    We unload T-Lazy for some nice role players + picks

    we resign Ron Ron and Yao.

    Our core is Ron Ron and Yao.
     
  7. BruceHR

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    TLazy is the guy we must release, I also dont want to see this guy any more. Many last seasons told with TLazy in the team is not the answer of Rox. The other two are all depends, but if we continue this bad status, all will leave, and Rox need to rebuild.
     
  8. pmac

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    It all depends on 2 things, health and championship.
    If somehow, a doctor came out of no where, like the one last season that fixes Tmac's back appear, the team make a good playoff run. And the team returns next season and win the championship, you can bet the big 3 is resign.

    If not, i think, both ron and tmac will be released, and rox sign a max player to play along yao.

    Best case scenario, by using ron, tmac and yao big contract, rox get to sign and trade 3 max players, ala Lewis last season.
     
  10. kkkpopov

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    21million can do lots of things
     
  11. solid

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    Well it is obvious that you don't resign McGrady; I am not sure that he will be here to see his contract expire. Yao is the real question mark, it all depends on health. I would resign Ron.
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think planning for 2010 is borderline stupid.

    Very rarely do big named players switch teams, and who knows if Yao is going to be any good at that point to build around anyway.

    Why not take advantage of all the teams josteling for position, get some of their talent NOW, try to win NOW.....because they are selling and to be a buyer in a sellers market is huge.

    The Rockets have Artest expiring this year...you could get a Magette for him.

    And Tmac expiring next year, who knows how many good young players you could pick up with him, because teams are angling to become a player in 2010?

    I mean.....a good GM.....would be taking advantage TODAY of other GMs that are trying hard to plan for 2010.

    The Rockets are not in a position to do that, they have Yao in his prime.....NOW.....

    Go out and get a Magette, a Hinrich, or a few other good young players, take advantage of the sellers market.

    Why wait?

    Because having cap space in a year in which EVERYONE has cap space does not sound like a position of strength to me.

    DD
     
  13. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Don't forget about Scola. He's a free agent in 2010 too.

    My thoughts...

    Les will never trade Yao; He's the Money maker for the Organization.

    Rafer and T-mac will be gone so use that money and go after the top scorer in the league...Dwayne "freakin" Wade. I'm sure 24 mill will get him here. The rest of the league will go after Lebron and Bosh.

    sign Scola and see where Brooks is at.

    Ron to me is a toss up...if he won't cost so much to resign I'd keep him and let Battier go.

    that's just me.
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Reek,

    I think putting all your eggs into the Wade basket is a bad idea.

    Go out and get a Wade light now....Magette....

    Or get players that fit in with Yao now....

    The time to win is now.....why look at 2010?

    We have Yao in his prime......play for it...TODAY...and take advantage of the bozos looking at 2010.....

    Heck the world is gonna end in 2012 anyway.

    ;)

    DD
     
  15. leebigez

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    DD, I think everyone must go except the younger talent. I think Yao,tracy, and ron should all be gone. I would rather see a 5 man basketball team with 5 really good players like detroit than trying to build around anyone on this roster. I would like to see ming get a team capable of supporting him, but you're going have to trade scola whom everyone seems to have a high value. If you have a guy with limits like yao, then you need to have a guy like ben wallace/camby as the 4. You also need to have some versitile offensive players that can play with and without the ball. After trying all that, it might be better to just drop the bomb on the whole deal.
     
  16. A13

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    21M can buy 300 Audi Q7 ...
     
  17. onreego

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    2010 then 2 years later the end of the world. We dont have much time to win a chip.
     
  18. leebigez

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    I don't know why people are scared, Utah lost 2 hall of famers, missed the playoffs 2 yrs, signed a couple of young up and comers, drafted well and now they're contenders when healthy. If you tear it down and get the right players, you can come back better without Yao,tracy or ron.
     
  19. jae713

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    It all depends how far into the playoffs they make it. If it's another first round exit Mcgrady won't be around to see his contract expire. The only player I would think of resigning right now is Yao, but I would think really hard before I gave him a max contract.
     
  20. DieHard Rocket

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    I think you're right on, Hottoddie.

    If we don't win a championship, or make a huge statement in the playoffs (ie advancing and losing a tough, 7 game series to the Lakers or in the finals) they will and probably should start some reconstruction.

    In the event that we don't do very well in the playoffs...

    -Artest should be a goner
    -Tracy should be shopped to teams gearing up for 2010

    If I were in the front office, I'd be pretty panicked by the fact that we have three stars at around 30 years old that should be in their peak, yet we are going nowhere. You have to look to make changes.

    Remember, this is all contingent on how we do in the playoffs this year. I'm still holding out hope that we'll gel come April and get hot at the right time. If I remember correctly the '95 team had kind of a shaky season up until the Clyde trade. Let's hope we turn the corner like that team did.
     

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