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[Racine Journal Times] Rumor: Landry to Milwaukee for Villanueva?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DJNICK, Dec 26, 2008.

  1. RV6

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    I didn't mention defense, so that's irrelevant to how i'm "overrating" him. You're using one game to define a player, which I shouldn't even have to point out how misleading that can be. His jumpshot is solid in that it's a good one, he can make it. He's not a great shooter, but he's not Hayes either.

    As for today's game, AK had a hand in his face the majority of the time. Even the announcers said he's a streaky shooter and he was on tonight early on, he still finished 7 of 20. Scola had a bad shooting game, so of course you saw him miss open shots, it happens, even to the best of them. He shots 50% last season and is shooting 48% this year. That may be low to someone who normally lives on the post like Yao, but for Scola that's good. Take a look at his game log instead of the most recent boxscore.
     
  2. Da Wink

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    Honestly, I'm really intrigued w/ a big PF that can play outside such as Villanueva who can play Hi-Lo w/ Yao...
     
  3. trueroxfan

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    he was nobody last year, he was able to sneak in because no one knew what he could do. i like landry, but i said it all summer, he isn't essential so all the fuss about signing him asap wasn't necessary...as for charlie v i don't think he'd be much of an upgrade, despite his 4 inches or so height advantage. i think if anything needs to be done, it's signing mutumbo. i like mutumbo because with him you know what you're going to get even at 53..rebounds and blocked shots...no fouls obviously, cause he has never fouled : )...but seriously i just feel comfortable with him, i don't wanna get someone who ends up busting

    my vote goes for keeping landry
     
  4. Rockets4279

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    If true though it could also be true they are in no hurry because lets not forget who we play this Weds which is that very same team.

    I really want Mutombo back it's his leadership to get this team back in that winning mentality such as last season during that streak we want finger wag back to motivate this team.
     
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    Yea how about Battier, Landry, Scola, Hayes, Head for Redd. Bring back Maarty and Dorsey from the D-League then resign Mutombo make McGrady the 6th man and Dorsey and Artest the starting defensive anchors and Brooks the semi 6th man or even starter, but my point is 3/5 of the starting line up last season who won 22 straight would be the 2nd unit.

    Yao/Mutombo
    Dorsey/Maarty
    Artest/McGrady
    Redd/Barry/Wafer
    Alston/Brooks

    I would seriously do that trade Mutombo leadership with a big 3 trio in the starting rotation and a ultimate 6th man and added youth and athleticism with the finger wag GO ROCKETS and get red because it's time !!
     
  7. joesr

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    You know anyone can write your stupid but why don't you elaborate since no one seems to know wtf your talking about.
     
  8. rockets_fanatic

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    You are a tool!
     
  9. Sofine81

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    Wow that is terrible trade brother. Dorsey isnt even ready for 6th man minutes let alone starter's minutes.

    And you are giving up too much for Redd. I bet he could be had for:

    Head, Tmac, and Landry---for Redd, and CV :D (homer trade for homer trade)
     
  10. killer instinct

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    Better Player right now........ Landry.

    Bigger headache in the future.......... Landry.

    We get a back up center who helps Yao....... who is more important Yao or Landry?.......... Yao.

    SCOLA, HAYES, VILLANUEVA all can dunk, only hayes can't shoot.

    I'll take a combo and a center for the future in the playoffs if Deke is no option...... at least Mihm can score more than deke. I would hate if we got to the playoffs and the other teams forced Deke to take shots or TO's.

    I would keep Landry but not at the expense of Yao.
     
  11. killer instinct

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    i say Villa,croshere and Sessions for landy and Head.

    always want more too?
     
  12. Rockets4279

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    I think Dorsey would be just fine with that roster he wont adapt if he don't get minutes and he wont need to do much, but rebound and play killer defense in which he can already do that and run the court i mean he already has a NBA ready body and would like to see him level people when he sets screens for Redd.
     
  13. BimaThug

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    I have to disagree with both of you.

    Superstar, while Landry is a very good rotation player, he has made more than his fair share of bone-headed plays this season. Adelman has pulled him from several games late in the game based on Landry making poor decisions on defense. For instance, last night, the Deron Williams layup that tied the game late in the fourth quarter was completely Landry's fault. Rafer got screened off of Williams on a good curl, and when Deron took it to the hoop, it was Landry's responsibility to shift over to defend him. He never left his man (who, by the way, was Kyrylo Fesenko, not the world's greatest offensive threat). While most of the viewing public would look at that play as "Rafer getting beat by his man", it was actually about a missed defensive shift by Landry. If Shane Battier had been standing where Landry was on that play, Williams never gets that shot off (or at least it is contested).

    RV6, I think you are mistaken in saying that Landry dunking it and jumping high for rebounds is merely "flair". Those are the things that make him valuable to the Rockets. He does those certain things that Scola (who is more prone to use his body to shield away defenders on moves to the bucket, meaning that he doesn't get the same lift on his shots) or Hayes (who relies more on positioning for rebounds) cannot do as well. The Rockets need a guy who can jump high and get easy dunks off the extra pass. That is why there is a place in the rotation for Landry, even though he's not as versatile offensively as Scola or as good on defense as Hayes.

    Bottom line: Landry CAN be a liability for the Rockets at time. Still, he fills a niche for the Rockets and has definite value to the team. I am skeptical of trading him for Villanueva, who undoubtedly has more talent but appears to lack the heart of Landry. Still, if Morey and Adelman feel strongly about adding a long, athletic PF who can stretch the defense to beyond the three-point line, then I will defer to their judgment on this.

    P.S. Based on some of the salary figures being run (if the Rockets trade Landry and Head for Villanueva and Mihm), it appears that the Rockets would need to waive Von Wafer before January 5 in order to avoid the luxury tax. If that MUST be done, I would hope that Morey and Les could "unofficially" let Wafer know that they will sign him to multiple 10-day contracts, and then for the remainder of the season on a two-year deal (like they did with Mike Harris last year) if he will be patient and reject other teams' offers. I think this approach will get his total prorated "salary cap figure" down low enough to fit below the luxury tax. No totally sure, though.
     
  14. SuperStar

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    Every player is going to have their weaknesess. My point is with Landry the positives he brings outweight the negatives. Without him last year the Rockets would of lost a lot of close games.
     
  15. BoomShakalaka

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    lol yea right, no team is that stupid , not even memphis
     
  16. Sofine81

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    not to say that he cant play because he can, but he will have a hard time staying in the game...Fouls will plaugue him.

    But maybe some time down on the farm will take care of that.
     
  17. desi tmac91

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    I'm starting to warm up on this deal.

    Nothing has happened yet though so does that mean the deal is off?
     
  18. rocketshopeful

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    this deal has pretty much had its own funeral.

    at least accoriding to the chron writers.
     
  19. JeopardE

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    According to Feigen, there is no validity to the rumor. You can't kill what was never alive to begin with.
     
  20. Carl Herrera

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    I agree on all fronts except that Krylolo Fesenko is pure AWESOMENESS.

    Landry has his faults, mostly on defense, but he's still making 58% of his FG attemps and rebounding on a high rate. His numbers are a bit down, but that's to be expected since there was a fairly long period of time last season when teams didn't have much of a scouting report on him and it was easier to get him some open dunks and such... you can bet that everyone gets briefed on blocking out Landry nowadays.

    In any case ,I am not sure trading for Villanueva is an upgrade. Sure he's tall... but does he do anything that a tall guy does (like blocking shots, rebounding and defending the paint) at an above-average level?

    It is also alleged that Charlie has shooting range... but he only hits 29% of his 3s. I doubt the opposing team is scared enough by that kind of numbers to actually, say, leave Yao Ming in the paint in order to run at Charlie. If you wanted a 3point shooting 4... let's just put Artest there.
     

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