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Israel's insanity

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, Dec 27, 2008.

  1. esteban

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    Let me clue you in my naive friend. The Jews are MORTAL enemies of the Arabs, somehow I don't think lay down your arms and call for peace works!

    I could be wrong, but I know as soon as Israel lays down their arms, Arabs will be all over them.
     
  2. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Let me clue you in...BOTH OF THEM are WRONG! You are the one that is naive to think that these attacks on both sides doesn't affect the rest of the world.
     
  3. Rocket River

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    I guess you respect Suicide bombers too.

    Rocket River
     
  4. orbb

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    So, instead, keep bombing the palestinians and antagonizing moderate arabs, while they grow stronger and your bargaining power wanes. Very wise.
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    What do those fools expect when they launch rockets into Israeli cities?
     
  6. Ari

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    Probably this exact reaction from Israel. Hamas continues to have enormous success at goading the Israelis into attacking them and undermining any real peace process to take place, not even with our puppet Abbas in the West Bank.

    Only one winning in this whole mess is Hamas, all they have to do is periodically poke the Israelis with a stick to derail the 'peace process' (which does not exist). The Islamists are much smarter than we ever give them credit for. They have an infinite amount of patience and an enormous capacity to keep rolling with the punches. Wait it out until the tide turns, that is and has always been the plan.

    One one side is achieving their strategic objectives. Israel really has one and only one last card to play: accept the pre-67 borders, destroy all settlements, and create a fortress of a state behind those lines while maintaining military supremacy at any reasonable cost.
     
  7. Space Ghost

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    Whether one believes in the Bible or not, this has pretty much been true since it was written. Its like cats and dogs, what else does anyone expect?
     
  8. Kwame

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    Israel is showing a great deal of contempt for democracy. The Israeli regime is doing all of this to punish the Palestinians for excercising their political freedom and democratically voting HAMAS into power. They're trying to break the will of the Palestinian people and show them that if you vote for HAMAS you will be punished. This type of behavior is unacceptable. Imagine if Iran or any other country that was unfriendly to the US was doing this? The entire world would be freaking out, but Israel always gets a pass. Israel is a rogue regime and they need to be punished for all their transgressions.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    Ummm, did you know that Israeli cities were being attacked by rockets? Do a little homework
     
  10. glynch

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    I agree and think it may be very analogous to 9/11 in that you have a group of hard line Israelis who are still wanting to fight on for some more land. The majority on both sides want to do a land for peace deal. It is very easy for these Israelis hardliners to manipulate the majority of Israelis with Holocaust fears just as 9/11 was used to frighten the folks in the US into the Iraq War and the whole "War on Terrorism" as an over response to 9/11.

    The strange thing is that the pre 1967 borders would be accepted by just about everyone and would provide a safer Israel. The longer the status quo goes on the more chance that we will have the one state solution and Israel might have to join the modern world in terms of religious equality and freedom. I believe that there is net migration from Israel.
     
  11. farrisdabis

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    I'm Palestinian, and I have a lot of family back there and visit a lot. I woke up this morning and saw the news and was not shocked at all, but what did surprise me was Israel's targets: schools, police stations, and homes. Not Hamas leadership, not known terrorists hideouts/compounds/etc., civilian installations. I understand Israel's predicament with all these cowardly rocket attacks, but my question is why aren't they targeting Hamas leadership.?

    I personally believe Israel needs war to survive. If Hamas isn't attacking them with rockets and they're not retaliating, that means Mahmoud Abbas will take over and moderation will take the place of extremism, and of all the dangers to Israel's existence, that has to be the biggest one. It won't survive without violence.
     
  12. Northside Storm

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    Isreal's not insane for willing to defend itself...even though it's a bit disproportionate, you can understand the reasoning behind it.

    Nah, Isreal's more insane for it's original premise...a Jewish state forcing itself into the middle of a conglomeration of Arab states. Did anyone ever actually see a happy ending to that?
     
  13. LScolaDominates

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    Of course by "forever" the authors meant within their lifetimes, and there was already a conflict raging in Judea at the time. Not much of a prediction on their part.
     
  14. LScolaDominates

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    Hamas uses "civilian installations" as its bases of leadership. It helps them secure political support even as their agenda is massively destructive to their own people.

    The extreme elements on both sides feed off of one another. As somone said, the vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians want compromise, but the machine of war is too powerful a political engine.
     
  15. insane man

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    no one was killed by the recent rocket attacks. israel's strikes killed 200-300.

    proportionality is international law. do a little homework.
     
  16. insane man

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    by uses you mean lives there and operates there? give me a break.

    im not saying it gives israel an easy target. but tough break. doesn't justify killing masses of innocents.

    this equivocating is crap. 0 israelis died from the recent rocket fire. 200 and change died from just the attacks today, terrorizing one of the biggest ghettos in the world.
     
  17. farrisdabis

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    I'm just trying to say that a little discretion could have been used. The majority of the about 200 killed are normal civilians. I agree that Hamas is destructive to it's own people, but my question was why doesn't Israel take out Hamas leadership instead of schools and police stations?


    I agree, but what I was trying to really say was that the greatest threat to Israel is peace. If Israel gives in to Abbas and the other Palestinian moderates, they won't last very long.
     
  18. Ottomaton

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    According to the Geneva Conventions it does.
     
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    Read Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. The only reason Jewish people and the media hate President Carter is because he started and finished the peace treaties, but Israel doesn't want peace.

    The book also elaborates on how ALL the Arab countries (Iran is NOT an arab country) have laid the basic framework for living in peace with Israel, but Israel has yet to act on the treaties it has agreed on.

    The bible has been rewritten and changed countless times. The only book that has never been edited and can't be changed is the Quran.
     
  20. Ottomaton

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    Except it has been.

    And if you ask the fundamentalist Christians, they'll make the exact same fatuous claim about the Christian Bible's immutability.
     

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