[Racine Journal Times] Rumor: Landry to Milwaukee for Villanueva?

You have to do a certain amount of years to earn NTC. I believe 5? maybe 4. Basically its a vet privilege.

I agree with DD, this would be a good move for us, killing 2 birds with one stone as well.

We get our back up center, one that doesn't stop the offensive scoring by putting Deke in.

Get rid of Head therefore able to concentrate more on Wafer (and Barry although we know he can produce) being the younger player with more time ahead of himself.

CV is a 30 percent 3 point shooter. Not good....for a SG or what not but good enough to keep a threat on the outside from the 4. What does this do you low IQ people ask? Well easy, it puts four wing players on the outside giving Yao a easy 1v1. So either Yao gets mass points or mass assist granting whoever is left open from the attempted double team.

Yao can legitimately take some minutes off without sweating the score.

I would do this trade easily but would try to score a 2nd round pick from whoever gets Landry.

 

Offer Matched When a team exercises the right of first refusal to keep a Restricted Free Agent cannot trade the player for 1 year without the player's consent. The player cannot be traded to the team that gave the offer sheet. (Bobcats).

 

I think you guys are overreacting to the loss of Landry. More specifically, we fear we're going to lose his uber efficient production on offense, so let's look into what his offense actually is.

Most of Landry's points come within 5 feet of the room, with either Tmac setting him up, or him hustling for an offensive rebound and putback. According to http://www.nba.com/hotspots/, Landry is an amazing 70% around the rim.

Then, to keep the defense honest, there's landry with a jumper. For the season, his midrange is around 48%.

The question is, can CV replace Landry's production? I'm not sure how CV gets his points around the rim, but looking at http://www.nba.com/hotspots/, in 2006 he finished 60% around the rim, with no midrange game. In 2007, he finished 54% around the rim, and 40% from midrange. In 30 games this year, he's finishing 50% around the rim, 44% from midrange.

With Tmac feeding him with awesome passes, can CV replace Landry's production around the rim? I'd like to think so. Maybe not blistering at 70%, but 65% would still be pretty good, and a reasonable expectation. Can he replace landry's midrange game? I'd also like to think so. If CV had Landry's opportunities for scoring instead of working to create it himself, I'd like to think CV could flourish, because it is clear Landry can't really create on his own.

And on the defensive end, is he really that big of a dropoff from Landry?

And don't forget, with the emergence of brooks and barry, who needs luther head? We're trading an expendable asset for an asset of need, backup C.

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Another thing to consider is how Morey is playing free agency 2010. I'm thinking that he's using the rest of the league's focus on 2010 to allow him to come up with crazy steals in 2009.

Ppl want to give out max contracts on 2010 for the lebrons, wades, carmelos, dirk, etc, so they would be reluctant to spend in 2009. What if we ended up signing Artest in 2009 for 9-10M a year? What if we could pick up CV for 4.5M?

Then in 2010, Tmac won't be commanding max contract money, so maybe he may sign with us again for hometown discount?

 

Excellent points

 

Can you at least state why?? I get the cap issue, but based on talent alone i don't. Stat-wise, CV matches Landry and Mihm matches Deke AND both CV and Mihm bring offense that landry and Deke don't have, which is the problem with this team. Deke isn't exactly peaking or staying consistent here, the guy is declining, and although he's still a solid back up, every year he's going to lose some game, he may not drop off a lot form last year, but there will be some drop off. His inability to provide offense also leaves Houston playing 4 on 5 a lot of the time, much like with Hayes (but not as bad), so he's rejecting a lot of shots, but at the same time holding back some of the team's own offense.

 

If Morey makes this trade, I will quit. I will quit watching any rockets game or maybe any nba games.
WTF!
Why not trade that second round virgin out of here instead? who could only play well every 10 games and somnambulate the other nine.

 

from an insider in the bucks message board

landry does have a no trade clause

http://www.******************/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=865602

 

http://www.******************/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=865602

 

hmm why am i unable to post links lol

 

I actually like this trade.

 

his salary is way to high for anyone to pick up on a cripple.

 

Odom + Walton for Tmac

 

Only three players on this team are not "second round virgins" (Ron, Barry, and Rafer) so I suggest you quit on this team, no one cares.

 

I hope this stays just a rumor. Mihm would be very nice but Villaneuva for Landry? I think it's a bad deal for reasons already stated.

Can't we just trade Head for Mihm?

I agree with RocketsMac in that Landry does seem to have lost a little aggressiveness this season but still he hustles more than most people on the floor. I've also thought about what DaDakota said - maybe the Rockets should commit to one of Scola or Landry. But I would trade Scola before I trade Landry and I would trade either of them only if it's a nobrainer - having such a good power forward rotation is really great because you know that someone from that postition is going to produce. CV is definitely not a nobrainer.

If we do this trade, it just shows how badly we need a backup center. That would make it two bad deals in a row just to get someone to play 10 minutes a game.

 

is Landry damaged goods? lol

doesn't he have knee issues?

 

like mentioned earlier, scola and Landry are similar in that they both are solid within 5 feet and have a decent jumper, but no D. CV may not be a defensive stopper, but he'd bring more spacing sort of like Horry use to do for Dream. Everyone is head over heels about Landry's dunking and athleticism and his big plays from last year. I'm on that bandwagon as well, but you have to realize he is more replaceable than Scola. Scola may be older, but he's not exactly pushing 40. Scola can shoot, has post moves, can finish, and runs the floor extremely well for his size. He hustles as well and rebounds at a solid rate, sometimes above at an above average rate. I also think his jumper is better than Landry's. Landry is money, but from the SAME spot. Scola can shoot it baseline, up top, from 8 feet or 15 feet. Landry pretty much stays 15-16 feet out within a feet or two from the free throw area.

 

Villo isn't exactly that much better then Landry offensively. Landry shoots a higher percentage and has a lot less shot attempts because he's like the 4th or 5th option. .294 3pt percentage is pretty low (Villo). It's like 35th in the league amongst PFs. Luther Head(everybodys favorite Rocket shoots like a .385 3pt percentage) Villo is a tad better defensively though judging by the rebs/blks. Not really much of an upgrade imo.

 

I can’t see any benefit to Rocket.

 

That's not exactly inside information. His agent spouted off often the past 2 years, and all restricted free agents who have offer sheets matched are given no trade clauses.

DD et. al -- Why do you think Mihm can be our backup center? It's been 2.5 years and a couple major surgeries since anyone has seen him play in anything other than mop up time. I'd be thrilled if we got pre-2005 Chris Mihm, but color me skeptical as to how effective the 2009 version is.

 

Landry's shooting percentage is misleading....its like saying Ray allen isn't much better offensively than Yao because Yao shoots over 50%. They score differently. For a team that needs perimeter scoring, then Ray allen would make more sense over a Yao with better shooting stats. Houston doesn't need a 15 foot jumper and a guy who can finish around the rim at the 4 spot, they already have Scola. They need someone who can force the issue and give them a completely different look, like CV. Landry had few FG attempts not only because he's the 5th option, but because he can't throw up 12 shots a game consistently. He's offense isn't varied enough to do it.