[Dime] Who’s Better: Manu Ginobili or Tracy McGrady?

Also I don't even get why they compared both T-mac and Manu. Both players are two completely different players. It is better to compare T-mac to Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson, or somebody like that.

I don't think Manu seems as many double teams as T-mac does so it would be interesting to see how he would react. Like I said this isn't a very good comparison because their games are different.

 

IMO, they are about the same now. they both have their strengths and weaknesses, I'm sure Manu would be great here, just like Mac would be great with the Spurs. not much difference here.

 

Yeah but I looked at a few boxscores of the Suns series and Dirk had a few bad games: 8-24 in Game 3, 9-25 in Game 6. He was on and off, and Suns defense wasn't great to begin with. I think it's just the nature of him being a primary jumpshooter, but there's no doubt T-Mac and Bowen did a good job of intimidating his shots. But if even at 100%, I don't think he'd be able to stop Dirk now.

 

u can't stop a great scorer. the point is he slowed him down and outplayed him like crazy on offense.

nobody can really stop any player in this L. players are too good. they'll get their shots and points.

 

i haven't read this whole thread, but all i'll say is manu has played with tim duncan his whole NBA career....

t-mac would have just as much success as manu or more if he was in his situation. i honestly do not think manu could handle being the best player on a team. hes good, but not that good

 

Tracy is better. Without question.

 

actually, he's that good. as much as i hate the spurs, i like manu's game that much. he takes it to the rim, he's gotta a million moves, and has a decent to good jumpshot and very clutch.

he's just a notch below a healthy Mac.

 

do you REALLY think manu could be the best player on a team and that team could be good ? i definitely do not

 

This is a stupid thread, because Tmac and Ginobili have had very different roles in the NBA. For most of Tmac's career, he was the most talented and by far the best player on every team he's been with since 2000-2001 season. He had bad luck in Orlando with Grant Hill getting injured and taking up salary cap space which could have been used to improve the Magic and to put complimentary pieces around McGrady.

However, here is a list of Tmac's teammates with the Magic: An old Darrell Armstrong, Mike Miller, Drew Gooden, Pat Garritty, Andrew DeClerque, An old Patrick Ewing, and old and fat Shawn Kemp, Jarrell Sasser, DeShaun Stevenson, Juwan Howard, Tyronne Lue, Pat Burke, Jacque Vaughn, John Amechi, Bo Outlaw, and rarely an injured Grant Hill.

Out of all of those players Mike Miller was the only one who could create and score on his own. Grant Hill could, but he rarely played, Darrell Armstrong wasn't bad, but he was old, and Gooden and Garritty played their roles pretty solid, but overall that is an NBDL or a summer league team. Tmac still managed to get 3 out the 4 teams to the playoffs and almost won a playoff series by himself in 2003 vs. the Pistons without Mike Miller.

Tmac has had better teams with the Rockets, but in 2005, our team was old and unathletic. Mike James and Tmac were the only athletic players on our team. Sura, Wesley, Barry, Weatherspoon, Mutombo, Bowen, and Padgett aren't great athletes at all. Yao was a good center, but he was not aggressive and was still inconsistent back then.

In 2006, we made bad moves and our team aged and Tmac and Yao were both injured. We missed the playoffs.

In 2007, Yao was emerging as the best center in the league, before he suffered a pretty bad knee injury which sidelined him for 32 games. However, during this stretch, Tmac with the likes of Mutombo, Hayes, Howard, Alston, Battier, Head, Lucas III, and Padgett led the Rockets to a 20-12 record, and when Yao came back we ended up with the 4th seed in the Western Conference.

I know we had homecourt advantage, but the fact is Utah had a very deep team, compared to our 1-2 punch of Tmac and Yao. I mean, we had a game where only 4 players scored the entire game! (game 3 of the series) The Jazz had players who produced from top to bottom. Okur, Boozer, Willams, Fisher, Kirelinko, Harpring, Milsap, and Giricek. That team was no joke. We took a very good team to 7 games, and that was due to Tmac and Yao carrying us offensively.

Last year, Tmac was hurt most of the year, but when healthy he was as good as ever, but Yao was hurt once again, and he couldn't return for the playoffs, and Tmac, although with a much more balanced team, still had to carry the Rockets since Rafer and Battier were hurt during the Playoffs. He was able to lead us to a 22 game win streak though, with our cast of players was pretty impressive. The players he had were Scola, Landry, Battier, a rookie Brooks, Alston, Bobby Jackson, Novak, Mike Harris, Hayes, a very old Mutombo, and Yao for 1/2 the season.

Now lets see what Manu Ginobili has had to work with. First off, He came into a winning team, the Spurs who never won less than 50 games while Duncan was there, and he had a hall of fame center in David Robinson there who was still a good player for his age. The spurs were led by Tim Duncan who is the best power forward in NBA history. Tony Parker was also emerging as one of the better scoring point guards.

Now here is a list of players Ginobili has been able to play with: Tim Duncan in his prime, an old David Robinson, Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Malik Rose, a very old Kevin Willis, Devin Brown, Turkoglu, Ron Mercer, Jason Hart, Robert Horry, Brent Barry, Rasho Nesterovic, Beno Udrih, an old Nick Van Exel, an old Michael Finley, Oberto, Nazir Mohammed, Matt Bonner, George Hill, and Roger Mason Jr.

Out of these players, only a handful couldn't do much without Ginobili. Steve Kerr, Kevin Willis, Rasho, Mohammed, Bonner, and Mason Jr. couldn't produce without Ginobili there to create for them. However, with Duncan, Robinson, and Parker all there, Ginobili doesn't have to create all the time, and he rarely has to lead his team. Also his big man has only missed 48 games in his career up to this point wher as Yao missed atleast 30 over each of the last 3 seasons.

Its simple, Ginobili has ALWAYS had MUCH BETTER talent around him than Tmac could ever dream of. Ginobili was always a part of playoff tested, championship teams. He had former all-stars, 2 hall of famers, and some very good shooters and role players (Horry, Barry, Kerr, Bowen). Take away Duncan, and I don't know if Ginobili could lead his teams to the second round, because he is not as good as Tmac. He can't do a lot of things while being double and tripled teamed the way Tmac has been most of his career.

Give a prime Tmac a team with as much experience and quality role players as Manu has had, and I bet he'll get them deep in the playoffs without Duncan.

I don't think Ginobili gets the Rockets to the 2nd round with the Rockets with Yao being as injured as he was. Maybe if Yao stays healthy, then maybe last year, because we had a pretty good team by the 2nd half of the season, but Ginobili could never carry a bunch of role players who can't create to a winning record without Yao.

Tmac has just had a lot of bad management, bad luck with injuries to key players, and injuries to himself to have any type of playoff success. But to do what he's done in Orlando and especially in Houston in the regular season is simply amazing.

 

I will throw up if i read this thread few years ago,but now i pick manu up

 

I think a health T-Mac > a health Manu, a injured T-Mac > a injured Manu also(remember last playoffs).
If say a health Manua and a injured T-Mac...then maybe...

 

wow, all that for hypotheticals, guess what, Tmac's team this year is much better than the spurs so we'll see....Manu is freak, Nike signed him for a reason