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The +/- STAT tells us Yao is our best player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by weidong082004, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. weidong082004

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    http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22008&split=9&team=Rockets

    Top Individual Players
    Player 1 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
    M. Yao Rockets 1,594 -1,450 144 775:40 .185 23

    Top Two-Player Combinations
    Player 1 Player 2 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
    R. Artest M. Yao Rockets 1,250 -1,103 147 603:37 .243

    Top Three-Player Combinations
    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
    R. Alston R. Artest M. Yao Rockets 944 -804 140 440:17 .317 18

    Top Four-Player Combinations
    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 Player 4 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
    R. Alston R. Artest M. Yao L. Scola Rockets 744 -665 79 350:06 .225 18

    Top Five-Player Combinations
    Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 Player 4 Player 5 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
    T. McGrady R. Alston R. Artest M. Yao L. Scola Rockets 444 -394 50 207:30 .240 12
     
  2. Moneygetjealous

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    I guess. Sorry to say but Yao is still the most frustrating player to watch besides Luther Head.
     
  3. thacabbage

    thacabbage Contributing Member

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    Not really sure what the OP's point is here. With a hobbled McGrady, we don't have anyone else who would even be in the discussion as the team's best player. That still doesn't justify building an offense where you live and die with Yao because he's just as likely on most nights to give you 9 and 4 as he is to give you 29 and 14.
     
  4. ShadyMcGrady

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    Breaking news.
     
  5. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

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    he's SUPPOSED to be our best player
     
  6. redao

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    just checking out Grizzlies same stat. Obviously their worst players are: Gasol, Mayo,Gay,Arthur,Lowry. Grizzlies should be talking about Championship if those are the worst players they have.
     
  7. allforone

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    any STAT about consistency?
    Yao for sure is good ,but largely based on numbers....i'm gonna be based
     
  8. RudyTBag

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    That is because he is........


    When the ball goes through Yao, with crunch time Tracy P and R's, we are at our very best.............


    Yao's offense will carry us and keep us close, but Tracy and Ron will ultimately win us games in the end..........
     
  9. tksense

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    This is the first time he's leading the team in this stat though.

    However, like any stat, there is so much more behind the numbers that contributes to the result of this stat. This is what statistical analysis is for though (so don't just brush off stat as useless)!
     
  10. roslolian

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    First of all Yao Ming and Tmac are supposed to be the team's franchise players. Since Tmac is a shell of his former self, then obviously he's the best player...that's like saying Yao Ming's visa tells us that he's Chinese :p

    Secondly the +/- stat is useless. You can't use it for any meaningful analysis whatsoever because it doesn't just reflect that particular person's performance, you also have to take the other players and the other team's players into account. Take the Houston Rockets-La Clippers game last Dec. 3 for example:

    Yao Ming had 24 pts on 6-8 fg and 12-13 fts. He also had 10 rebs, 2 blocks, 3 assists, 1 steal and only 1 turnover. His +/-? +5

    Steve Novak had 2 pts on 1-1 fg and 1 reb in 9 mins of play. His +/-? +6

    Are you telling me Steve Novak impacted his team more than Yao Ming did his? Lol
     
  11. roslolian

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    Yeah but my problem with the +/- stat is it requires more analysis than its worth. In the game above the reason why Yao Ming's stat was so low was because Artest's, Hayes's and Luis's +/- pulled Yao's +/- down (and vice versa). When you have to rationalize the +/- stat like that then the +/- actually gives you more work to do rather than being a tool that helps you better assess the player's performance. If that happens you're better off looking at other statistics IMHO.

    P.S. Wow I'm a member. Yay for me lol :D
     
  12. Shroopy2

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    Technically, Shane Battier could be the best player based off this stat.

    Battier's Per Minute Plus/Minus is +.248 (meaning Rockets score +.248 per minute more than the opponent when he's in). Compared to Yao's +.185.

    Its saying if Shane Battier plays all 48 minutes, Rockets outscore their opponents 12 points a game. Compared to only 9 points for Yao.

    So Battier is the better player ;)
     
  13. Tmacfan0115

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    With or without the stat, He is the best player on the team.
     
  14. Splash

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    Considering that we run the offense through them, that better be so. If not we're screwed.
     
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    If Tmac plays like a vintage Tmac (or even 70%), then the game will be that much easier for Yao.
     
  16. RocketsHero

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    I mean this is not a surprise. He also has the biggest WS figure
     
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    Last year he led the team with WS as well
     
  18. RocketsHero

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    Technically Battier only played 8 games, sample size too small
     
  19. yaorta

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    we actually need a best team
     
  20. yx304

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    and it tells us Head is our worst...
     

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