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Batman: The Dark Knight

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Is this officially the longest movie thread in hangout history? Considering that there were actually like 6 dark Knight threads when the flick came out, this is impressive.

#661 AstroRocket, Dec 10, 2008

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Is this officially the longest movie thread in hangout history? Considering that there were actually like 6 dark Knight threads when the flick came out, this is impressive.
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Well it is the second highest grossing film in US history. (Not counting inflation of course)

#662 shawn786, Dec 10, 2008
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LOL, party crashing scene and interrogation scene with the spanish dub:

<object width="480" height="295"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/cFSkFDRqQ-o&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/cFSkFDRqQ-o&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></embed></object>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7yzqVGa_jE
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amo el wason!!! rava (reir a voice alta).
i love the joker!!! lol (laugh out loud)

#663 wreck, Dec 10, 2008
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This film sets a new standard for superhero movies. Grand Slam Home Run!

If a 3rd edition happens, I hope they take their time and do it right. The Spiderman 3 flameout is still fresh on my mind.

#664 A_3PO, Dec 13, 2008
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Finally got around to my second viewing of this the other day, and the immediate hyperbole from opening weekend couldn't seem more ridiculous. Great movie no doubt, greatest superhero movie as well, but have no idea how some people were ranking this thing as the greatest film ever, or even anywhere near the top 10.

#665 thacabbage, Dec 13, 2008
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I've had this one Blu-Ray since Tuesday. Still love this movie. I didn't notice that the screens went into that "IMAX" resolution thing until towards the end of the movie (Lambo car chase). When I bought it at Best Buy on Tuesday, there were a bunch of display cases for this movie and a steady flow of people picking it up. I wonder what the DVD/Blu-Ray sales were.

#666 GuerillaBlack, Dec 13, 2008
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GuerillaBlack said:

I've had this one Blu-Ray since Tuesday. Still love this movie. I didn't notice that the screens went into that "IMAX" resolution thing until towards the end of the movie (Lambo car chase). When I bought it at Best Buy on Tuesday, there were a bunch of display cases for this movie and a steady flow of people picking it up. I wonder what the DVD/Blu-Ray sales were.
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More than 600,000 copies sold. They said its estimated it will hit over 1 million by the weekend.

#667 bladeage, Dec 13, 2008

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Anybody pumped up for THE DARK KNIGHT blu-ray?

I am ready to watch this movie for a THIRD time, this time on my HDTV. Some people already have it too.

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I love what they did with the Joker case. I didn't notice it until I flipped it over and saw all the scribbles.

#668 GuerillaBlack, Dec 13, 2008
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More than 600,000 copies sold. They said its estimated it will hit over 1 million by the weekend.
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You sure? Much more than that it seems: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2008/12/dvd-sales-not-r.html

#669 GuerillaBlack, Dec 13, 2008
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You sure? Much more than that it seems: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2008/12/dvd-sales-not-r.html
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Triple freaking post, but nevermind, I see where your 600K number came from (Blu-Ray sales).

#670 GuerillaBlack, Dec 13, 2008
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rrj_gamz said:

Would not hit...
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Only downfall of this movie could of have better eye candy.

#671 MiddleMan, Dec 13, 2008
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Only downfall of this movie could of have better eye candy.
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Agreed, I don't know what they were thinking putting Maggie G in there. She looks all right but someone else would have been MUCH better.

#672 Storm Surge, Dec 13, 2008
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Anyone get the bonus mask (either Batman or Joker)? It was a little smaller than what I thought it would be...

I bought the 2 disk special edition and Batman mask for my brother but they didn't have the combo for BluRay so my mom bought only the bluray disk for me... That Joker mask is cool though.

#673 Stevierebel, Dec 13, 2008

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Anyone get the bonus mask (either Batman or Joker)? It was a little smaller than what I thought it would be...

I bought the 2 disk special edition and Batman mask for my brother but they didn't have the combo for BluRay so my mom bought only the bluray disk for me... That Joker mask is cool though.
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I got the Joker mask figurine with the Blu-ray at the Best Buy midnight sale.

#674 moestavern19, Dec 13, 2008
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I got the Circuit City version, came with a journal.

#675 Oski2005, Dec 13, 2008
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Cool. I should have just bought the joker mask combo. Oh well, maybe if they still have any next time I am in the store.

#676 Stevierebel, Dec 13, 2008
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14.99 for blu ray in-store pick up at Frys right now.

http://shop3.frys.com/product/5763532

#677 BiGGieStuFF, Dec 19, 2008
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I just came across a really awesome article dealing with a sequel to The Dark Knight. It's a little bit of a pitch but it brings up great points on how another Batman sequel should be handled.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/06/27/christopher-nolans-batman-3-it-starts-and-ends-with-time/

Christopher Nolan's Batman 3 - It Starts and Ends with Time
June 27, 2009
by Brandon Lee Tenney

In the recent weeks passed, there has been a lot of talk (coming from this Batman-on-Film.com article or this MTV piece from Christian Bale) about what I'll refer to as Batman 3, or to put this prospective film in context, the third film of what I always hoped (expected) would be Christopher Nolan's Batman Trilogy (essentially, what is the sequel to The Dark Knight). That talk has all been negative, unfortunately. Film journalists, bloggers, and fans alike (as seen here) have been waxing pessimistic about the rumors that Nolan may not return to what is, ostensibly, both his largest and, in my opinion, very best work to date.

It's common knowledge that The Dark Knight took a lot out of Nolan. The production was long, shooting entire scenes with the monstrosities that are the IMAX cameras was arduous, and, of course, Batman's cowl was not the only dark hood to hang over the film. Heath Ledger, whose Oscar winning performance as The Joker will be forever remembered and celebrated, died while the film was in post-production. While all of Ledger's scenes had been shot, his death cast a dark, deep shadow over the film. And an especially dark shadow over Chris Nolan. To everyone who's seen The Dark Knight, it's also quite clear that The Joker's role was never meant to end. "We are destined to do this forever," The Joker postulates, hanging upside down, caught but not subdued — merely another layer of his chaos. But, with Heath Ledger's death (and with him, The Joker's), that anticipated third film seems all but dead, too. The Joker was meant to continue as Batman's foil into the follow up to The Dark Knight. And therein lies the problem.

Where can Christopher Nolan and the Batman franchise go from here?

Batman Begins is Batman's birth. The Dark Knight is both his rise and fall to a place even darker than he thought possible. Should, as I expect, Batman 3 continue to follow this classic biblical structure, it would be Batman's resurrection, his transcendence. The bread crumbs are there, resting atop Gotham's pavement.

But it is there where my thoughts, my ideas, my suggestions branch away.

It starts and ends with time. Time, rather a time jump, is a two-fold solution when applied to Batman 3. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are not separated by much of it at all. Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham and brings Batman with him in Batman Begins. We see the first effects of Batman on his city. We're hopeful. We're excited. Crime recoils, unsure and afraid. But, like Bruce Wayne, we are naive. Batman's very presence causes Gotham to descend even further into madness. When The Dark Knight begins, we're left to fill in the blanks: Batman has garnered a dedicated following. He's the very symbol he set out to be. He's more of a welcomed celebrity than the caped and cowled, distrusted vigilante. And then we see him fall, with Gotham close behind and the people of Gotham being pulled in tow. The small amount of time between the first two films is of necessity. They are two halves, each a side of the same coin, one polished, one scarred. But Batman 3 needs not follow that same dynamic. Could circumstances have been different, sure, Batman 3 could have easily picked up shortly after Batman speeds into the night. But it never had to. And it shouldn't have to now.

Batman 3 should take place years, if not decades, in the future. Who says resurrection has to be three days? By aging Gotham, it ages the characters (thus avoiding a contemporary recasting of The Joker). By aging Gotham, it raises the stakes. Gotham, the fallen city, having been sunk for years now. A city without any hope. A population without a hero. Batman, still a distrusted wild card. Batman, still torn apart by the loss of Rachel. Of Harvey. Of Alfred - he has to go. But we gain a more mature Batman. One who, in the decades passed, has now seen it all. One who has been continually hated by the very people he protects. One who won't let himself become good in their eyes, become that celebrity. One who truly knows how to use his rage, his torment, rather than the Batman we've seen who only thinks he does.

A longer stretch of time affords the creators a sizable amount of leeway. Sure, while we must lose Alfred, perhaps Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox would then fulfill that role. Not a butler, but a confidant and engineer behind-the-scenes working from The Bat Cave beneath the long-since rebuilt Wayne Manor. Perhaps The Joker was, in fact, captured and contained in Arkham for however long it has been between The Dark Knight and Batman 3, but he has only now finally escaped. The Joker wouldn't need to look the same, in fact he shouldn't. His already warped mind would be even more twisted. And Batman and Bruce Wayne both would finally have to confront the very catalyst of their descent. The singular reason for their own madness over the unseen time between films. Open old wounds that (though fresh for us, the audience) have been long scarred over but never healed underneath.

Time passed is story gained. It is permission to complete a tonally structured trilogy as originally intended — though perhaps not as originally conceived. It's also structure gained. It opens the story to the possibility of a more fractured narrative where we can be filled in through flashbacks about the state of Batman while also providing natural places within the film to include some more classic Batman fare — flashbacks that, while in tone, would further the story, explain the status quo, and also show us some action of his years passed. Fights with Penguin. With Cat Woman. With The Riddler. Characters who just don't fit the tonal landscape of Nolan's Batman as a main villain, but would work fine as vignette-like flashbacks. Batman 3 could bypass all of the nonessential franchise films that every property creates. With a story set in the future, any story like, say, the one from Spider-Man 3, that would have happened without us even knowing. We'd only be privy to the after effects, the scars.

Nolan's Batman Trilogy was never, and isn't, meant to be about the happenings and escapades of Batman. This is not villain-of-the-week Caped Crusader. Nolan's Batman is a study of hope's triumph over corruption, over evil. Batman Begins may be the very beginning, but The Dark Knight is as much a beginning, maybe even more so. We don't need a middle. I don't want a middle. Tell me the middle, make me feel it, know it, right before the end. It's the end that I want. Batman 3 is the end that this series needs. It's the poignant finish to an already transcendent would-be-trilogy. And it all starts and ends with time. The future is where Batman 3 needs to take place, a future of bleak hopelessness, a future far enough away that the logistical issues of the contemporary universe are no longer an issue, a future that allows a bold structure but tonal congruence, a future at the very brink in need of a savior — a savior who must overcome his reluctance, his fear, and his foil in order to truly make the difference he's been unable to make for so long. Its title need not be so literal as Batman Begins nor so heady as The Dark Knight — simply, but thoughtfully, its title should be The Batman.

Even if it takes five years or ten, this is a series, a franchise, deserving of its very final chapter. And it's Christopher Nolan who should be the one to provide us with it. With closure. With hope. With The Batman.
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#678 farrisdabis, Jun 27, 2009

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i dont get it. even if its 20 years later it still should just be a older heath ledger. that wont change it a damn bit.

#679 peleincubus, Jun 27, 2009
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i dont get it. even if its 20 years later it still should just be a older heath ledger. that wont change it a damn bit.
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