Tracy this is FRUSTRATING. If you want 3 Weeks, USE THEM.

i can in your case who you brought up b/c:

1) no actual quotes

i'm talking about YOUR case on who you brought up. you have not yet brought up any quotes from any players/coaches associated with the rockets that support your claim.

but you've brought up 4 guys who don't cover the rockets, who don't live in houston, and who watch the rockets 2-3 times A YEAR AT MOST.

yes, i should trust them.

 

Wow, you girls need to stop. Seriously, the guy's name is tmac1- and you are arguing with him about Tmac like it's actually going to go somewhere? Don't you have like jobs, finals, thesis.... something to be working on? Also, there are great sport commentators that never play...and there are great players that can't talk about the game worth anything. I would say that the news has incentive to be fast and to be honest. That's how they hook people. They also have an incentive to sell and make money. That's how they keep people and expand business. Speculation and drama sells.
-V

 

Three of those four are former pro players, two are Hall of Famers and one is unquestionably one of the fifty greatest players of all time. And how do you know how many times they watch the Rockets? The Rockets are on TNT more than three times a year so right there Kenny and Charles are probably seeing more than three Rockets' games a year.

As for Woody Paige all you can do is come up with bizarre tinfoil hat conspiracy theories as to why the guy would jeopardize his professional career to lie about something on national TV.

 

i've defended tracy where guys like him make ridiculous claims.

if you have legit criticisms of tracy (lack of effort/intensity and coasting during games), i agree.

i've bolded my point. i should stop.

 

I'm sitting here watching a little counter go "2000 records processed...2012 records processed...2056 records processed". Posting here is just a little bit more--and I do mean just a tiny, little bit--more entertaining.

 

Except it's not guys like me who are making the claims. It's guys like Magic Johnson and the Big O. Why exactly is Oscar Robertson going to say that McGrady's shot selection sucks? Is he being paid off by the big media companies to create some drama?

Guys like you are such blind fan bois that you can't imagine that there's no legitimate reason for anybody to criticize your hero, even if the guys who are doing the criticizing are some of the best players who ever played the game--guys who have literally achieved more than McGrady can ever dream of.

 

This is exactly what is wrong with America now and has been ever since media existed. People are too stupid to make an opinion for themselves so they just allow the media to do it for them. Have you not noticed how biased Fox News, CNN, NBC, etc. are on politics. They are CLEARLY biased towards one political party or another. I would say the media is wrong 70% of the time.

All of these writers have their own agenda: get attention on them, so people will talk about them. Why do you think Mark Jackson keeps on saying "When its all said and done, Kobe Bryant will be better than Michael Jordan."? There is no way in hell that is going to happen, BUT he did his job. He got people paying attention to him because he said that. Barkley did the same thing when he said Yao would never score 19 in a game. He still had the last laugh because people began to watch TNT a little more, and thats when Chuck's "predictions and dumb comments" began. The media can say whatever they want due to the 1st ammendment. They can say Tmac didn't do this, tmac didn't do that, tmac is a ball stopper... But remember this, we watch Tmac MUCH more than Woody Paige (Grade A idiot) , Kenny, Chuck, and Magic watch a handful of Rockets games every year. They don't see him all the time.


If you wanna get a true opinion, ask Kobe, Lebron, Dwade, Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, AK47, Chauncey BIllups, Rick Carlile, Avery Johnson, Jerry Sloan.

Those guys will tell you Tmac is still one of the top 10 talents in the league. AK47 has been quoted saying "Tracy McGrady is the most difficult player to guard."

When Rick Carlisle was commentating for ESPN, he was visibly shaken by the 2003 series Tmac had vs. the Pistons when he was coaching them. He nearly got him fired single handedly. Last year alone, Tmac lit up Artest for 40 twice, 47 and 44 on Ak47 in the last 2 years.

THese guys have played against Tmac for several years now. If you wanna listen to anybody about a player, listen to them. They will all say, its just a matter of health with Tmac.

The last point I want to make is, When Kobe was barely getting his team to the playoffs couple years ago, was he not a ball stopper? I know he averaged 35 ppg, but basically it was Kobe, and then everybody else. He still dominated the ball, they didn't run their triangle offense nearly as much during those years.

Lebron has always been a ball stopper. His offense was 1-4 offense where Lebron is at the top of the key, and four players line up along the baseline, and he dribbles and dribbles, and uses picks for about 20 seconds before he made a decision. How is that not ballstopping?

Tracy McGrady, has the same skill set as those 2 guys. Not as athletic anymore, but he can pass better than Kobe, he can shoot jumpers similar to Lebron's %. In basketball, you have to let plays develop sometimes. Teams are going to double Tmac, but it may not be right away. Sometimes you need to make cuts, or find an open spot, or beat the double team. You sometimes have to be a ball stopper to do so. Its like a running back in football. You have to wait for the blocks in order to find the gap to run through.

Tracy McGrady when healthy, will shut many people in Houston and across the nation up, like he has many times before.

 

Confucius (el_locoteee) say:

 

This is just sad. Rockets fans that watch all the games literally have more knowledge about the Rockets than Magic, Big O, Barkley, and Woody Paige (WTF?). I can't believe you are seriously using their uninformed opinions because of their name value and stating their opinions as fact. They can't possibly be wrong!

 

Is this sarcasm? If not well here

A)He said Woody Paige source was someone from the Houston Chronicle. Why would Woody Paige lie about that make it up?

B)I would take what Magic, Big O, and Barkley say over this board on a lot of things. If we listened to this board T-mac and Yao would of been traded a while back for some scrubs.

 

I am not surprised that some of the players on the Rockets are questioning TMac, it has happened on every team he has been on......

He is what he is....it is just tough for the TMOF to deal with it.



DD

 

Not to get off subject but we still lead the toughest division in the league with all the injuries occuring and Artest GOD forbid is only going to miss two games T-MACs back Shanes back and YAO is healthy so LLLLLLEEEEETTTTTSSSSSSS GOOOOOOO stop focusing on the Bad Tracy says he's healthy so lets go by his word ppoint simple and plain

 

So what if Paige got it from the Chron. Does that make it any more legit? I treat this the way I would treat anything Sam Smith says. Lets hear what Adelman and the other players say about this issue. Then I'll make a conclusion.

Sure, there are a lot of dummies on here, but I'll seriously value the opinions of the knowledgeable posters here than former stars that rarely watch any of the Rockets games. If Bullard/Worrell say this, then I'll consider it, but not people that don't keep up with us ever. I don't care what their names are.

 

None of the people that work for the Rockets are going to say this....come on.....but if you listen to Clyde and Bill and Bull they are alluding to playing with some pain and playing tough all the time, which seems to be a direct comment on Tmac.

I know people don't want to criticize a player with the amazing skillset that Tmac has, I get that, but TMOF should at least acknowledge his shortcomings.

Those of us that criticize him are not doing it because we hate him, but because we expect MORE from him because of those skills, this team will go as far as he is willing to take it.

DD

 

You just played to the ***'s, and yet pointed out the exact reasons why McGrady "haters" can be so irritated with him.

He's so good and so talented that it can sometimes give you goosebumps to watch him. But, if only he had a consistent toughness and ferocity to go along with it.

 

This is getting pretty far off topic here, but what it boils down to is that media is pretty much the only means the average person has of getting information. I'm not going to fly to Lebanon to find out what's going on there, and I have no way of getting into the Rockets' locker room.

If the media was wrong 70% of the time then the media industry would be in total collapse. The media's wrong a good chunk of the time, but I'd say that 90% of the time they're right. And again, what matters is not "the media" but who and what you're reading. Some reporters/organizations are very fair and unbiased, others aren't.

So far as politics go I'll point out that a guy from Berkeley did a study that said that if you watch Fox News AND CNN/NBC etc. and synthesize what you get from both channels then you can get an unbiased view of the news. In other words, the biases of Fox and CNN will cancel each other out. You don't have a choice when it comes to getting information. You have to get it from the media. If you can read critically then you can get a pretty accurate picture.

 

Exactly! If he lies and he's caught his career is OVER. Why would he risk everything for a two minute segment on "Around the Horn"?

What's more he said he got it from the guy the Chronicle sent to cover the college bowl games. He made it completely easy to figure out who that guy is. I figured it out because Feigen at the Chronicle responded to some guy asking where a certain reporter was and why he wasn't writing about the Rockets, and I'm sure everybody else here could figure it out after five minutes of digging through Google.

 

Tracy "Fools Gold" McGrady

If you have what you think is a valuable piece of gold, and someone tells you it ain't worth a dime, and they'll buy for twenty cents, you wouldn't believe them.

Then you take it to a jeweler and the jeweler tells you he'll give you a nickel, do you take it? Because it looks nice does that make it valuable? It's only valuable to the guy that thinks it worth a crap.

For me I ain't buying it!

 

Just post the link, save the people the trouble.

I think you nailed it in one of your posts above about critical thinking and being able to read the situation correctly.

It is not that hard if you are used to that, some people can read other poker players, others just play their cards.

TMOF is of the latter variety.

DD

 

The problem is that T-Mac is talented but that doesn't mean that he's not also a ball stopper. You can be both at the same time.

One thing about Kobe: the Lakers are doing much, much better this year because he's shooting the ball less. Last I heard they were 13-0 when Kobe shot the ball 20 times or less a game. When he shoots more than 20 fgs they're 4-3.