Hey watch what you speak. No need to go on and bash someones religion. You're from Germany right? Well, imagine I call you nazi all the time.
If I were one, you could call me one. These people were islamists, and idiots. I am not calling them a name based on their nationality, but based on what they did and what their purported motive was.
A news stie in India posted conversation between Terrorist and IndiaTV reporter. All the conversation is in Hindi and Urdu. I am not very good in these languages but could pick bits and pieces. The reporters are speaking in Hindi. I think terrorist are mixing hindi and Urdu. Agree with above posters , Urdu is spoken in several parts of India(atleast in South India where I am from) also. Here are the links if any one (knowing hindi )is interested in listening http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-Terrorist-calling-himself-Sahadullah-spe-id-519886.php http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-2nd-Terrorist-speaks-from-Nariman-house-id-519881.php I will try and translate few. These guys are very calm. No Pressure. Terrorist: 'It's better to live like a Lion for one day than to die every day'(some thing close like that) Reporter: How many weapons do you have? What kind of weapons do you have (Aap ke paas kitane hatyaar hai ? kyaa kyaa hatyaar hai aap ke paas ? ) Terrorist : Why don't you come here. We will give you some gifts and then tell you( aavonaa saamne, hum tumhare ko do chaar tofe dekein phir batayeingaa) Reporter: How old are you Terrorist : 25 years Reporter: How did you come to Bombay(Bombay Kaha se pahunche the) Terrorist: Where did he come from? Where does he travel ? what kind of strange questions are you asking (kidar sey aatha hi banda? Kidar Safar karta hi? Ajeeb si sawal puchtha hi)
This is why the creation of pakistan is pointless. They should have done one of two things: All muslims go to pakistan, all hindus stay in india or No partition, hindus and muslims stay together in india What was the point of partition and then most muslims end up staying in India? Sorry but what was the point of you guys creating Paksitan. Now India and Paksitan will never be at peace...and India itself will never be at peace because Hindus and Muslims will always fight, thanks to extremist muslims. A friend told me when some cops raided through the homes of many muslims killed in riots, most had AK's in thier houses. The point is muslim extemism is always going to exist. And consequently, hindu extemism. The only purpose of Hindu extremists is Islam. As for these riots, there will be no after riots. The target was globalization and the economy, not hindus. The anti muslim riots from a few years ago occured after a train full of hindu saints was burned and they were all killed. That was an extreme event that would naturally piss off hindus. They won't do anything about this, they are hindus. I amn't indian or hindu or muslim though, just giving my two cents. When its said and done, what are you going to do.
Do yourself a favor and refrain from further commentary on all issues pertaining to south asian politics because any credibility you may have considered yourself to have is officially gone. These current attacks are despicable, but your attempts to dumb down the complex history of Hindu-Muslim violence in India into nonsensical Muslim-scapegoating drivel only serves to expose your ignorance. I guess Muslim extremism was the cause of the total destruction of the 'Babri Masjid.' Yea, let's also just pretend Narendra Modi and the BJP didn't foment the Gujarat riots while police forces idly sat back as over 2000 innocent Muslims succumbed to their deaths. By all means though, I wouldn't want to destroy your paradigm if it causes confusion in your comprehension of the current events. Idiot.
You sound ridiculously ignorant man. I understand that you are neither Indian nor Pakistani, but it shouldn't take that much to understand the desire to belong to your own nation. It was very important for these people to have a place to call their homeland. Unfortunately, the separation did cause all this turmoil; most Pakistanis will tell you that it was worth it and they'd do it all over again. All you have to do is look into world history and see how many times people have desired their own nation, no matter the cost. Those borders may be nothing but lines on a map to you, but they mean a hell of a lot more to the people involved. Next time I hope you think twice before deciding to come across as ignorant.
LOL, alright relax man and take a breath. Didnt mean to get you mad, just my two cents. Also to use the Babri Masjid shows how ignorant you are. Do some research...there used to be a temple there but it was one of millions destroyed...the one this temple took out is one of the most sacred temples in all of hinduism...How about if someone tore down Mecca and then built a temple there. You wouldnt be upset? The fact that you use that of all the examples in the world makes me lose any respect for you. That is your example really? If anything, that site shows the power of islamic extremists. The fact that Hindus can not build a simple temple, arguably their most sacred temple, because of Islamic extremist opposition, says how little respect Hindus can get in that country. And the riots, all i said was that it began after a train was burned. Is modi the guy who was rejected from coming to the US? If so, there is no evidence that he was involved in teh attacks so lets not head in that direction. I did not mean to affend anyone, really sorry. And what i forgot to mention about the partition was the fact that no Hindus remain in Pakistan. Pakistan was thought of by Gandhi as a place where Hindus and Muslims would live together, that wasnt thier idea.
There was a discussion few years back on this board on similar topic. You do have a point but based on my assumption on what you are saying , I would like to discuss these 3 points further. Complex History of hindu-Muslim violence: After partition in 1947, things settled down. There has been little in terms of such violence. There will always be pockets of clashes but very minimal. I have lived thru the periods when Hindu-Muslims existed peacefully in India. Muslims, though minority, got a pretty good reperesentation in Politics and power. There are some hindu organisation (like RSSS, VHP) but are heard very little of until... Babri Masjid: This was one of the issues lingering, since a Mosque was built in on a temple which was supposedly 'Ram Janmabhoomi'(Birth place of RAMA, God of Hindus). This issue used be in news once ina while.. not a serious thing. But during early 90's, A national party BJP decided to use this sensitive issue of 'Ram Janmabhoomi' to come to power. Look at it as any political party finding something that might resonate with people and then their strategists use it to project advantage. It's the politcs that made BJP line up with the Hindu organizations and eventually they grabbed power. So bottom line, its Politcs. Nothing bred from complex violence history Godhra Incident: By this time I am already in US. so I do not have the first hand knowledge. I know what many people know thru news outlets. The role of Gujarat govt during these riots did come unde fire. But such incidents are very very small in number. As the international terrorism started building up in 90's, I believe some of the Islamic youth in Indian were attracted and brainwashed in the training camps. Most of the Muslims are very religious people. Their religion is used by some anti-social elements to attract them. I get the feeling watching the media these days that Muslims are mistreated as minorities hence they are revolting. But that is not the case. If this was the story, we would not see such sophisticated attacks. It would be some stray stuff. There are always minor clashes between different religions and castes. The ones that are led by emotional outbursts subside very quickly. Bottomline, I don't believe the violence between Hindu-Muslim is causing any of these. What is happening in Mumbai is well planned and funded terrorist execution. This no different than what we seen in several parts of world during past few years
...except that my post wasn't addressing the current attack. It was in response to the erroneous assertion that Islamic extremism has been the cause of all Hindu-Muslim violence and subsequently the raison d'etre of Hindu extremism.
I've seen one high school of middle class Christian white kids fight another high school of middle class Christian white kids because one are the Lobos and the other are the Panthers. Young human beings are just predisposed to tribal violence. It's a right of passage, a raison d'être,
In the latest news the siege at the Oberoi and Jewish center is over but the fighting is still going on at the Taj Mahal. Crazy.. its been three days and this thing still isn't over. Also there are reports that one of the terrorists is a Pakistani national and that some of them may be British citizens. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27940231
