No Disrespect but He gotta go...

I think you are misinterpetting what I am saying, I think he is an elite post defender, great as a team rotational defender, awesome on pick and rolls, but struggles on the perimeter against quicker PFs that can shoot the 3 ball.

I think Hayes is the best defender this team has.....he and Battier.

DD

 

Alright. I just think its strange the way you focus on him struggling against perimeter players who are quick and can shoot 3s. How many PFs in the league do not "struggle" against such players? In my opinion, Chuck's still well above average, for his position, against such players.

 

aye and hes cheap, we cant find another guy has leet def like chuck whos only makin 2m a yr.

 

I guess I am just pointing out his lone weakness on defense.....

DD

 

I just finished watching the game (didn't want to get spoiled) because I had to spend the night at the hospital for my gran.

I wanna finish reading the thread before I post

 

Ok. But I don't see it as a real weakness if he's still well above average for his position at it. I mean, it's like saying that Hakeem was a great offensive player, but he struggled on hitting the 3-pointer.

 

Pretty amazing differentials. Heaven forbid they start using the Hack-a-Chuck.

 

Now that I have read the thread there really isn't anything to add.

I think the people who appreciate Chuck are the ones who love both ends of the floor, not just the dunks and highlight reels. Chuck isn't going to get you on sportscenter, but the kid just makes the smartest plays that will get you a W. If I figured up the win percentage of the games he has played in since high school it would be way up there.

I appreciate winning basketball. Not just video game highlight basketball.

 

I like CHuck starting too. Heres my point: Scola is always overmatched against elite power forwards, in fact, like Aaron brooks, and Luther Head, the opposing team usually singles him out for an isolation play. Watch the game and you will see. For all the points he makes, he gives up even more.
Also, the team is slow on transition d because Scola is slow. Yao is slow, but he's a huge giant, so you expect him to be last down the court. Scola is also a poor help defender. While Chuck doesnt block shots, he is great as a help defender and on the pick and roll.
As for Scola, playing against second units really might benefit him even more. He can come in for instant offense, play center or PF as long as its against the second stringers.

 

I gotta agree. Chuck, despite all his weaknesses, has been a great defender and rebounder. I understand the need to get bigger but Chuck has been the best post defender on the team.

 

I use to be a big get rid of Hayes pusher, but honestly he's doing a great job.I'm damn proud of what's Chuck is doin , and has been playing this season so far.

 

Call me old fashioned, but I just never understood the theory of putting 5 scorers in the starting lineup. I can't think of many teams that have won championships recently that have had 5 offensive minded starters. Detroit didn't. Boston didn't. San Antonio didn't. The Lakers didn't. It's a plus when you have players that can score and defend, but they are rare.

The only reason Chuck got yanked is because of Adelman's offense. It simply can't be run with Yao/McGrady. If 2 players ever didn't fit Adelman's system, it's those two. Van Gundy ran Pick & Roll with TMac or force fed Yao Ming. Chuck is not the type of player accept passes down low like he has been getting with Adelman. With Van Gundy's basic Pick & Roll offense, he was finishing those layups because the defense wasn't getting there in time. Adelman's offense requires more athletic players down low because when they receive that pass, they have to score over their defender.

Adelman should run a basic offense with the starters and then run those Princeton cuts with better athletes like Scola, Landry, Brooks.

 

Agreed Landry and Scola's defense still needs lots of work.

 

this team needs chuck hayes. Just because he cant make a free throw or an outside shot doesnt mean he has no value. Chuck Hayes has won us a lot of games. Defense wins championships! CHUCK WAGON MUST STAY!

 

Maurice Taylor has size and can get you points, lets bring him back in.

Why is it okay for a 6-10 and taller guy to be a stiff lumbering oaf who can't even catch a pass and airball 4 footers. But anyone from the 4 on down has to be "offensively" capable? Hayes is the Deke of the power forwards.

I see that also. And thats to a team's detriment. If Hayes misses 3 layups in one game - if its me shooting over a double team hoping beyond hope I make 40% of those plays, or pass to Hayes for a wide open layup, If Hayes is under the basket unguarded I'm still passing it to Hayes.

Its disheartening seeing a gimme layup missed but over the course of a season 55% percent of layups is still better than 35% Alston.

 

This is the reason he's perfect for our 2nd unit and team...He's actually pretty good in the motion offense and plays great defense against many pfers in theleague.

 

The problem with that is, if he is 2nd unit, he is guarding 2nd unit players. Adelman needs to establish defensive dominance to start the game with Hayes and Battier. If you watch The Rockets games this year and last, they just play back and forth for the first quarter, the 2nd unit comes in and builds the lead, then the starters come back in and they blow the lead. This goes on all game until the last 5-6 minutes and they finally pull away (or lose).

They don't get the kind of wins that championship level teams are getting. This year, The Lakers and Celtics are winning games by 14-17 points and have nice cushions going into the 4th in most games they have won.

And before anyone says that lineup won't work, see 2006 Playoffs. How quickly we forget how close The Rockets were to taking down Utah:

http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Hayes_has_his_fingerprints_all-222841-34.html

 

Hayes plays excellent defense which a lot of people does not appreciate in a basketball game. We tend to focus on dunks and scoring which is only half of basketball. There are a lot of players in the league who plays very poor defense but are excellent scorers. So should we get rid of these players? cough..tracy

 

trade chuck, steve, rafer for tinsley