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Tmac as Part of the 2nd Unit

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinywang, Nov 16, 2008.

  1. pmac

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    I would be all for Hmm's idea of putting Rafer and Tracy on the bench but i think AB's penetration isn't as useful with Yao in as without. Remember the idea of moving around rotations is to improve the overall performance of the team not to punish someone for not playing as you would like them to.

    When Yao is in the game, the key is to surround him with people who can feed him the ball and people who can take advantage of him getting doubled. When he's out of the game you want people who can push the tempo and get easy buckets. I'm not sure if putting Tracy on the bench would help the starters (maybe, maybe not) i know for sure that the bench would suffer with our...methodical...backourt.

    I'd rather take last years starters with a nice uptempo bench. When paired with Yao, AB and Ron have to tone down some of the best parts of their game.
     
  2. t_mac1

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    the reason being so is b/c he's our best playmaker. brooks has been a great surprise, but he's more of a scorer. he can get his, but he can't get others theirs. tmac remains one of the best playmakers in the L and if you're gonna field 4 bench players, that starter that remains out there usually is tracy.

    i think you'll see tracy's minutes go up more and more (like in the hornets game) as our bench continues to get bigger minutes. i was really surprised that he played 43 minutes v. the hornets in a fairly blowout game. but that's what adelman is leaning.
     
  3. pmac

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    To be honest it's imperative that Yao, Mcgrady, and Artest get some chemistry going between them. All 3 guys will be seeing significant minutes so regardless of where they start the game they will play together.
     
  4. t_mac1

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    i think yao and tracy will eventually be fine. they're still recovering from injuries. in the past few games, both yao and tracy appear to be moving much better (instead of like 80-year old men).

    i think when ron goes to the bench with the 2nd unit, he'll get a better rhythm going offensively by playing in the post more. therefore, as the game goes along, his confidence is high. so when the 4th quarter rolls around, ron will be ready to play and ready to score with our other 2 stars.
     
  5. shakegod

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    Yeah,Yao abd Tmac are recovering,both of them isnt 100%,and Battier is still out,now we are rank 4th in the western,that says we are a good team,and we will better not far.. :) :eek:
     
  6. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    Now that is what I agree with. I say Tracy should come out of the 1st quater at about the 4 min. mart then that way he will be ready to play most of the 2nd quater with the 2nd unit.
     
  7. Tom Bombadillo

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    All three need to start..........

    But if I was to choose between Ron and Tracy to start, I'd put Shane and Ron in on the wings and go exclusively to Yao..............Kick out 3's galore+we don't have that weak link defensively............
     
  8. Solarlijian

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    I agree with you! it makes sense about what you said !.The coach can reduce tmac's time of the first quarter ,let yao take a whole first quarter,except that yao takes two fouls.Like this ,I think yao can have much more time to have a rest,and tmac will lead the 2nd unit to have a more agressive condition.
     
  9. showtang043

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    Aaron Brooks is too small and does not have the D and matchup capability to be a full time starter. He can score well and in that sense is a nice spark off the bench.

    As for T-mac not starting. People tend to not understand that it doesn't matter who starts, it matters who finishes. And in some cases it is beneficial for the team and player to come off the bench. Our offense is not built around T-mac. He is our star and finisher, yet our offense is built around Yao as our most unique match up in our roster. We can start Battier and Artest to add defense and balanced scoring around Yao to start. T-mac can be like Ginobili, our closer and all-star just basically coming off thte bench for a stronger spark and 2nd line of attack to breathe off the bench. Just bc he is not starting does not mean he can't average more minutes than the starters(see ginobili). If anything he can come in and just come in relaxed and watch the defense and just go straight to work. It would not mean we are 'benching' our star, or wasting money on him. It would be a chess game matchup of bringing him in to attack in a different way and still have him close the game. Please grow up and starters don't matter, finishers matter. Given that we have the pieces to survive without t-mac and go off of Yao, it would be a perfect flexibility and frustrate other teams to be able to bring T-mac out off the bench and have him just spark us and play the game fully.
     
  10. flamingdts

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    Hmmm, I think many of us have thought about that.
    However, don't you guys realize McGrady almost never plays with Brooks? RA always seem to put Alston with McGrady, no matter how much alston is sucking and how clutch Brooks currently is.

    Unless we can start Brooks, I don't think it would be a good idea. But again, McGrady seems to play better as a playmaker with just role players. His style is basically driving in the paint and passing to the open man, all our players need to do is catch and layup or catch and shoot. In this case, he'll fit perfectly with Battier (McGrady synergizes very well with Battier), Landry etc, since this is basically the first unit of last year's successful second half of the season without Yao.

    However, McGrady is there for a reason, and at this stage no matter what people say the Rockets will always need McGrady to create plays. Whether RA offense is in full function or not, most of our players, especially Yao, get the best of their games when playing with McGrady. Probably the reason why McGrady slacks so much on offense when Yao is in full function.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    I don't disagree with the OPs suggestion, I just believe that Tmac is so fragile he would not take it the right way.

    DD
     
  12. leebigez

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    My only problem with this idea is the notion Yao can and is "the man." He has never shown he can dominate for long strethes in this league. Not only that, there is a reason why most of the teams turnovers are entry passes to yao. He gives a terrible target and doesn't battle for position as he should because of the lack of condidtioning.

    As far as tracy of the bench, I believe you start you best players. Your best players also play the most. Now if you to tell me tracy is the 1st wing out for sub so he can run with the 2nd unit, I can buy that, but the off the bench idea doenst do it for me. The best bench player the rox will have is going to be shane. He can fill for both spots and provide the wings with rest.
     
  13. Marsarinian

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    Okay. So you want 100% one on one. Hmm... I was wondering where Artest's 20% shooting came from. Hmm...
     
  14. WNBA

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    Starters:
    Brooks
    Artest
    Battier
    Scola
    Yao

    Bench:
    Rafer
    Wafer
    TMAC
    Landry
    Hayes
     
  15. Yetti

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    Battier needs to get back as soon as possible and Morey needs to get us a decent(and tall) backup Center and force Aldelman to limit Yao Ming's Mins.
    Then the rotation can be fixed in order that each player might get familiar with his position . :p
     
  16. tinywang

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    I'm going have to disagree with your first statement. Yao has been "the man" and the face of this franchise for quite some time now. He has been the go to guy in most clutch time situations and putting up 20+ pts a game shooting nearly above 50% every game. He's been the main man in JVG line up and thats rolled over into the RA offense. Center wise and based on these last 2-3 seasons, he's proven to be better than Shaq, more dominating that Amare (by a hair), and more skillful than Dwight (before his recent emergence!). As for the lack of conditioning, well lets just say, health will ALWAYS be an issue.

    As for Tmac starting but playing primarily with the 2nd unit, I think that's a better idea. If I could, I would change that in my op.
     
  17. battousai

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    since we are in a thread that threw things out of our azzes, why don't I suggest one thing.

    PUT YAO in charge of the second unit and surround him with sharp shooters.

    Tmac, Ron with AB, Landry, Hayes as first unit, they can run and post.

    Alston, Yao, Brent, Head/von, and scola as that team can stand around and let yao post or pass out for shooters (except for alston he will just do the passing.
     
  18. tinywang

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    Idk but wasn't that Artest's game in Sacramento? I mean I haven't exactly kept up with watching the Kings last season and seeing exactly what his game was.

    At the same time, ISN'T THIS WHY WE TRADED FOR ARTEST? We needed someone who can make their own plays because more than likely, McGrady will probably get injured (based on season trends and our injury curse).

    Hopefully Rafer can be the one to focus more on making plays like he should be rather than jacking up 3s.
     
  19. mich

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    It is good idea for the short term and regular season, but remember we are building a team for playoff. We need all big three have the full power and used to each other at playoff.
     
  20. dlite316

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    i like ur way of thinking, but i prefer ron coming off bench after shane is back... see, shane is more off a stand and shoot guy, and ron needs to dribble so that he can get the rhythm and shoot better...
     

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