Is that how you really feel or are you just trying to help your argument? He's much better than Zach Randolph and still has plenty of upside to boot. He's Dwight Howard minus the insane hype and fascination. Nobody realizes how good he is because he plays for the T-Wolves. Sound familiar? <<cough Rudy gay cough>>
No one here expects Memphis to be a title contender by next year, your arguing with no one but yourself
You're arguing their supporting casts, I'm arguing their talent and development. No one on this board would do a trade for Yao or Amare for Jefferson and you know it. The argument was that Al Jefferson is only in his 5th year, he deserves to be cut some slack. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but you're implying having Nash or T-Mac makes him equal to Yao or Amare which is crazy.
It's closer than people realize. Sure, Dwight is a little better but while he edges Jefferson in rebounding & shot blocking, Jefferson edges him in post game, footwork and scoring ability. Offensively, Dwight is too reliant upon his athleticism. Everything he does in the block is all about position, elevation and trying to overpower his opponent. Sure, despite his raw and rather limited offensive game it's very impressive that he's able to average 20 PPG but Jefferson is the real deal offensively. He's the type of player that could still be very good even if he wasn't a monster athlete. You can't say the same about Dwight. You can agree or disagree with me on this. That's not the point of this thread so I don't want to see it get derailed.
Actually, it's not that crazy. Amare is a talented player but he wouldn't be where he's at today without Steve Nash. Nowhere even close. He's also had the benefit of playing besides other unselfish talented studs like Shawn Marion and even Shaq although he's on his last legs benefits Amare tremendously. I'd take Stoudemire before Jefferson but not by much. My views of Stoudemire are skewed in a positive way for him because like I said he has had and still does have a great supporting cast. As for Yao he's had the benefit of playing next to some talented players himself since day 1. And for the record I would strongly consider trading Yao for Jefferson. And this isn't just because Yao has struggled these last few days. Im basing this on the fact that Jefferson is 5 years younger and steadily improving while Yao looks like he's on the decline and injury prone.
...and you had the audacity to call me stupid. Was it Nash making Amare or Amare making Nash? Nash had an extensive NBA resume before playing with Amare and NASH is the one who blossomed playing with him. The season BEFORE Nash arrived. Check out Amare's number's after the All Star break. It was like 25/10 before Nash came to Phoenix.
Memphis X, this is Kevin M from that other site. What does it matter if they don't respect the grizzlies. We still have OJ. Rudy. Gasol. Arthur and ton of cap space, a horde of 1st round picks. Let them bask in last year or so they have of 2 round exits for the next couple of years.
mmhmm. Except that MemphisX said in his first post in this thread I DID quote that in the reply that I made - did you miss that?
Right. AsianSensation said that "he's only in his 5th year" in reply to MemphisX mocking Jefferson for being a loser. You then quoted AS and suggested that Yao and Amare had been around 6 years - which really seemed to imply that Jefferson should have been on a winning squad in his first 5 years (as Amare and Yao had been). To which I replied that their supporting cast might have had something to do with it.... If you're arguing that Ming and Stoudamire were 'better' in their 5th years than Jefferson, it's a tough case to make. In his 4th season Jefferson was 21 and 11 at 50% from the field. It's not like he's an incompetent basketball player...
LOL how bout that Memphis defense!? Giving up 132 points to the Knicks. I'm sure that lottery pick they're getting next year is going to address that .
